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  1. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    He then leaves you a "signature mocking spirit emogie", authenticating the spirit operating in him. Amils need their own thread, and each nurturing each other into a amil bliss. That entire deal is a WASTE OF THOUGHT, with a weird edited bible.
  2. rebuilder 454

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Yes 2 separate events years apart
  3. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    They were waiting for Jesus, had oil and light, and were virgins. "Virgins"= undefined and pure, and set apart. Virtually impossible for such label as "forsaking Christ".
  4. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Spot on that the AC is a cross section of Earth's population? Am I understanding you to actually mean that?
  5. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    You still can not answer if rev 19 is the second coming. So many sentences. You seem to tell us you don't know, but instead use 3 or 4 unrelated paragraphs to say it.
  6. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Nope. The bible is explicit against that error. Way way off
  7. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Ok. We see your insults and disdain for me personally. Now try "concept vs concept" I forgive your little weaponizing of Gods word for some voo doo curse you are conjuring up against the brethren. Now get you some Jesus time, swallow all that hurt and let's go. Let's see what you can come up...
  8. rebuilder 454

    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Then the rapture verses that have him returning solo, as in Rev 14:14, 1 thes 4, matt 25, AND ACTS 1, are they misprints or a confused God? Also your model has the complete OPPOSITE setting of the rapture. That's 5 + unanswered objections that the Bible has against any "one coming". That is...
  9. rebuilder 454

    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    It's not one dimensional. God is multifaceted, as is His book. Is Jesus a lion or a lamb ? I am going to say you stumble at that.
  10. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    It just hit me. Are you actually believing there will be future 7yr trib?
  11. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Some general comeback??? You can not unpack it so you threw spitballs at it. You got nuked, and can not debate me.
  12. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Show me where the Bible minimizes the gt in Revelation,to some saints suffering of eons past. There is a bible ROADBLOCK to those suppositions. "Tribulation such as the world has never seen, or ever will". But it gets worse for your theory. Early on in the book of revelation, we see the...
  13. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Yep, no rapture there. The second coming All pretribbers embrace it 100%
  14. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Item 2 (This only applies if the Jews are a separate harvest. ( WHICH THEY ARE).) REV 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the...
  15. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    All take the mark Every man, woman and child. Rev 7 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of...
  16. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Such a simple question. A yes or no. Nothing trick about it. Pure scripture . You went into a doctrinal thesis. Never addressed the question. This is such a red flag to a tired doctrine.
  17. rebuilder 454

    Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

    Angels gathering. In the rapture, the gathering of the bride, to heaven, Jesus gathers. You can reframe it for doctrinal purposes, but every time you do, you are pointing to a pretrib rapture where it fits like a glove. It says what it says. Jesus is not there....no gathering by Jesus. Send...
  18. rebuilder 454

    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    " as a bride" Jesus is not betrothed to a building. A car is "as shiny as a new penny" Does that translate into a giant penny with wheels?
  19. rebuilder 454

    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    You need to study the wife / bride dynamic. He left us as the betrothed. We attend the marriage and it is consummated in heaven. The bride is not the wife BEFORE the groom fetches her. You are saying there is no bride / betrothal because you interpret is as so. The rapture is the fetching of...