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In the rapture the saints RISE INTO THE AIR...FACT Noah rose over a mile into the heavens.... FACT THe saints are in heaven according to Jesus during the tribulation....FACT Noah was in the heavens DURING THE FLOOD/TRIULATION...FACT The saints return to earth in rev 19 POST TRIULATION...FACT...

...and yet Hitler and Stalin tried to wipe out the JEWS. Now it is all Arab nations that want the JEWS wiped out. ( the race you say does not exist)

Some man taught you all that. The bible says the AC kills all the saints. During the trib. That alone throws a monkey wrench in your doctrine.

The Gospel of Christ said: "You said Noah was “taken” — as if being lifted in an ark means raptured to heaven?" Noah, Lot, the 5 wise virgins and the church are all gathered/taken. The only place the wicked world is destroyed is the LOF. And that is after the mil. Rev 19 is the second coming...

In Hosea those replacement theology adherents rewrite it to say he never went after Gomer. Gomer is a vivid unmistakable picture of the wayward wife ( the covenant Jew) repurchased. Hosea obsessed with his wife ,and pursuing her ,INSPITE OF her wicked sin. The jew grafted back in. Depicted...

...and it is called "Jacob's trouble ". ....(Israel's trouble) (Just to add to your point)

Catholics draw from the church father's. The same source you use.

At this point Scofield can't help you. You are so immersed in Scofield, you have missed the bible. Now you are calling the verses I point to as some Scofield devil. Nobody cares about your Scofield obsession. It is simply an alternate reality you draw like a gunslinger thinking it has...

Yes Covenant involves land.

Both covenants require innocent blood. All of the Old Testament saints were saved via innocent blood. The reason they could not enter heaven. It's because the price that Jesus paid had not been paid yet, so they were saved but not redeemed. But Christ Jesus is the redeemer and in romans we see...

Let me help you. Noah WAS GATHERED into the ark days before the flood...FACT Lot was gathered and REMOVED BEFORE ANY DESTRUCTION...FACT DURING the flood ( tribulation) Noah was TAKEN high above the earth in the ark ("ark" is a type oh heaven).....FACT Both Noah and Lot WERE TAKEN in the setting...

So the book of romans was invented by scofield.???? Scofield is a legend in your mind

QUOTE: "You keep insisting “nobody escapes the mark,” but Revelation shows countless saints refusing it and dying with victory:" You do realize you made a point that all not saved recieve the mark? You seem to now admit nobody escapes martyrdom. The bible is not written by Scofield as you seem...

Wow. You seem to get everything I say wrong. Martyrdom is the highest reward. Instead of ADDRESSING WHAT I wrote, Ahem...SIMPLY SHOWING YOU WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, you go into some sideshow smear. Look..martyrdom is ; 1) testimony 2) an overcoming act 3) dying In victory. Ahem... the martyrs...

The point is, is that if they all die, there's nobody going to the end of the tribulation. So you're posting verses to that effect. Not knowing that it's destroying your doctrine of a post tribulation rapture.

I read your deal. I had to chuckle that you left out the grafting back in of the COVENANT JEWS. You left off that Paul made the distinction AS A BELIEVER, that the Jews were his brethren. Paul said the Gospel MUST BE PREACHED TO THE JEW first and THEN to the Greek. Who is Gomer in the book of...

The AC kills all refusing the mark. That fact alone debunks any hope of going through the trib. You guys have such a dilemma because you OMIT the pretrib rapture verses. So debating you guys like taking candy from a baby. Easy peeezy

Lol You omitted "....and they loved not their lives unto death" It says CLEARLY the AC is given power over the saints, and overcomes them. They are all martyred. You simply can not wiggle out of it.

IOW...the bible is wrong about the AC killing all the saints.

144k out of the 12 tribes.. Ethnic Jews. Stop changing the bible