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the point is, a doctrine based on the "pillar" of one verse ,(trumpet) is shaky. I can defend the pretribulation with about 7 verses There are zero post tribulation verses.

Mat 24, mat 25, acts 1, The last supper dialogue, the 2 escape verses, rev 14;14, 1 thes 4, rev 19, (that is all pretribulation rapture doctrine verses against your zero verses) So i ask again for you to find at least one post tribulation rapture verse. now Read mat 24 ;30> 30....and they shall...

LOL You just presented your theory that mirrors replacement theology. You can not reconcile the 144k ethnic Jews or romans ch 11. ...nor can anyone trying to make that doctrine fit scripture

It says "two men in a bed, One taken, The other left" You say one is wicked, with the mark of the beast, and one is a righteous, a born again believer. Your theory of all that is that half the world is wicked and taken in Judgement. Wow, that is truly bizarre! A born again believer in bed...

You are replacement theology?? What on earth do you do with romans 11??? What do you do with the 144k being ethnic Jews??? SMH

You left out all pretrib rapture verses to come to your conclusion. Your post outlines postrib talking points, and that you got your doctrine from ancients on a time of great error as did the Catholics. Ahem...the Catholics burned heretics and their writings. ( pretribbers). You research very...

Your verse says AFTER TGE TRIB ( THE ONLY PART YOU READ CORRECTLY) , ANGELS GATHER, (not Jesus), FROM HEAVEN, (not earth) So your theory is totally based on misinformation. Again your hope that the church fathers NEVER taught a pretrib rapture has been DEBUNKED FOR YEARS. The postrib workbook...

Of course they did. Jesus told us about 1/2 the church is left behind. Nobody believes they didn't come out of the trib. It matches perfectly with "all refusing the mark are killed, every man woman and child." So who passes through it??? You just made the case for the impossibility of anyone...

The Jews are ushered away to safety. Daniel says THE AC kills ALL the saints. Millions are before the throne in Rev. It says they were murdered IN THE TRIB. No such thing as a postrib rapture. Never has fit and never will.

"Last trumpet" is not a smoking gun to void 5 or ten verses. That methodology guarantees error. The verses I bring are not in your doctrine. Postrib do not research. Every postribber I have debated leaves out the purpose of tge trib, the fact that the Jewish only gathering is mid trib and tied...

Nope nope nope. "One taken one left" is pretrib Acts 1 " like manner" is pretrib 5 wise virgins are taken pretrib. Not only that, but in 1st thes it says "the Ac is revealed at the rapture." He comes on a white horse PRETRIB. We do see a mid trib gathering in Rev 14:14 However, that gathering is...

Yes the pretrib rapture is CONFIRMED in God's word. Only pretrib rapture fits.

Again, no smoking gun on your points. Zero. 1) do a little research, because your doctrine is MEN misleading you. Your false point of no church father teaching a pretrib rapture has been debunked YEARS AGO.( Ask yourself why postribbers stopped saying it) men teachers will make a fool of...

I would add that in Daniel, it says the AC kills the saints. Postribs envision themselves as protected, and running from cave to cave, to escape. Yes! They see themselves as escapists. Oh the irony.

All rapture verses are peacetime, commerce, and normal everyday life. Your model is exactly opposite that. Not only that but if God is precise, your rapture model is exactly 3.5 yrs after the man of sin is revealed. So your model knows what Jesus does not know....the day of the rapture!

That notion that no early church father taught the pre. Tribulation rapture has been debunked years ago. It was Jesus that taught the pre tribulation rapture. so I guess you're trying to say that Jesus was wrong. Ironic that man has taught you wrong and the pretrib rapture is Jesus' words in...

Only a fool would deny Christ. Unless you thought it was no big deal like osas teaches. ( you can deny Christ under osas and still be 100% secure ) rolleyes.

Trump derangement syndrome. Living free in woke minds LOL

We need osas spin on the prodigal. Anyone?

Jesus said " if you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father" In osas you could recant your testimony and deny Jesus, because no sin can separate you from God. IOW, All martyrs for 2000 years died for nothing, not knowing that their salvation was secure anyway. THEY COULD HAVE...