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Why should the church endure the great tribulation? I believe I can answer this question through God's word. "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." I think it's safe to assume that the whole bible is God's message to the church in one way or another via 2 Tim...

If y'all don't mind, I'll repost a couple of articles I wrote on the great trib and the Abomination of Desolation so as not to distract from the original OP and perhaps this particular conversation can continue there.

Sorry Nothing, But I for one do believe the rider on the white horse is the a/c conquering by deception via imitating Christ, hence the white horse. When he first comes on the scene he will seem like a good guy, solving some world problems, etc. The jews will think he is their Messiah and he...

Hi Tex, I don't know if I could ever change your mind regarding Revelations but you keep using this term which within the context of our debate is out of place. Your words: "If Revelation is a giant prophetic history book, how does it move me toward God?" Why do you keep referring to it as...

Hi Tex, Much of what you write is kinda confusing. For example: "I think "we will be caught up with the Lord in the clouds", but not in a historical sense." I don't know what you mean by "historical" sense. And: "The "rapture" isn't some part of the purification/recreation of the world, it is...

I thought it would be interesting to share some quotes from the early church fathers to show what their thoughts of the end times were. I believe, because the various "trib" (pre, mid, post, prewrath) beliefs were not yet formed they could be put in a category called, "post-persecution". (Words...

Hi Tex, Your words: "Rapture theory is not compatible with an educated understanding of scripture." I certainly disagree. If at any time you believe a living christian's feet will lift off the ground to meet the Lord in the air whether the duration is five seconds or five years, that is the one...

Hi Tex, I had to do a little research to determine what you meant by "apocalyptic literature". Very few defined it the same way but all included some of the parts of this answer from the web. 7 Characteristics of Apocalyptic Literature All apocalyptic literature claims to be revelation of...

Ok Retro, Here's a silly question. If the base of the structure is 1500 miles long and 1500 miles wide, wouldn't that cover the same land mass regardless if it's a cube or a pyramid? Would the shape even really matter, either way it's 1500 miles high? Here's some other thoughts: Couldn't the...

Hi Rocky, I see your point but you leave me with two questions. In Matt. 13:40, is the end of the world the end of the age of law or grace. Secondly, when do you see the age of grace ending? Imo, it could end after the millennium. It doesn't make sense to me that Christ would revert back to the...

Hi Retro, Your words:"Many erroneously think this city is cubical in shape. However, the city CANNOT be cubical because we are told that it LANDS upon the New Earth;" Where exactly does it say it "lands" on the earth?

Hi Wormwood, Your words:"antichrist as it is used by 1 and 2 John refers to opposing Christ, not substituting Christ. If you want to believe the Antichrist figure is a false Christ, that is fine. But this is not how John uses the word in his epistles." Here's how my Strong's words it...

Hi Wormwood, Here is my response to post #29. Interesting concept and one I haven’t heard put just this way before. I disagree with your breakdown and I’ll explain why. I divide Revelations into three parts based on Rev. 1:19 – “Write, therefore, what you have seen (the past), what is now...

Hi Wormwood, I wrote the following a while ago in response to some claiming that the a/c must be moslem but it also offers my take on the a/c in general. I don’t believe that Islam will be the vehicle of the antichrist. They will, in fact, ultimately go to war against each other. The anti in...

Hi S4C, Your words: "Then it shoud be a simple task, indeed, a pleasurable endeavor, for you to show us everywhere in the KJB you've found a personal pronoun (i.e. He and His), which refers to God/Jesus Christ, that is capitalized (other than as the first word of a sentence)." Well, by golly...

Hi Tex, Why wouldn't you take scripture literally? Consider this: John was able to number...Rev. 5:11 - "And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of...

Hi S4C, Well, we each had our say and disagree. To go back and forth would solve nothing but I do have one comment: Your words: "And so, it is likewise with today’s “popular” but unscriptural capitalization of pronouns e.g. His, He, Him... You won’t find that in the words of God i.e. the Holy...

Hi Guestman, If I had the time, and it would take hours, I could give you a point by point verification of all things you seem to believe are irrational. I think it irrational not to believe in them as they are what the word teaches. Your mind seems to be made up and I won't try to dissuade you...

Hi Wormwood, Thanks for the help, Here it is: http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/16393-when-the-day-of-evil-comes/?p=159916

Hi Wormwood, I know it's here some place. If you could tell me how to link up with it instead of reposting like I did the Body and the Bride, I'd be glad to. Hi S4C, We should probably just agree to disagree on this topic but at least let me explain why I'm not KJVO. I believe the only parts of...