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  1. Trekson

    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Hi Enoch, Your words: "I know what is next to, someone will try and convince me that the first resurrection happens over a period of thousands of years,the only problem with that is that's not in the Bible either,that's just their opinion." No, it's not just an opinion. If you were to do a...
  2. Trekson

    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Hi 7angels, Your words: "They’re wearing the Greek “stephanos” crown, so they’re victors, overcomers." That is only one possibility of what the "stephanos" crown represents. There are two more: As a sign of royalty and as a symbol of great honor, both possible with a ruling caste of angels...
  3. Trekson

    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Hi Joshua, Your Question: "So if the church is purified, by going through the Tribulation, are the Christians who died before the tribulation less pure than the Christians who go through the tribulation?" Let me first offer some verses: Dan. 12:10 - "Many shall be purified, and made white, and...
  4. Trekson

    Changed At The Twinkling Of An Eye

    I agree with both your posts, Retro. The same can be said for other words like, last and day.
  5. Trekson

    The 144,000

    Well, I believe this is a more accurate translation. Rev1:1 (AMP) "[This is] the revelation of Jesus Christ [His unveiling of the divine mysteries]. God gave it to Him to disclose and make known to His bond servants certain things which must shortly and speedily come to pass [a]in their...
  6. Trekson

    The 144,000

    Hi Guestman, I don't know which version you're quoting but I would use a different one. I don't deny that symbolism is used in the book of Rev. but they are also usually explained within the context but one must first seek to understand the literal sense, then if that makes no sense, then seek...
  7. Trekson

    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Hi Vet, Your words: "So why can't you simply understand He's just giving a comparison of one event with another event, and that's all there is to it?" And you need to understand that just because the same words or expressions are used they aren't neccessarily speaking of the same thing. There...
  8. Trekson

    Zechariah 14

    Heavy sigh, Vet, sorry but I find many of your views in error based on errant interpretation of other scriptures. You timeline needs some serious work.
  9. Trekson

    False Teachers claim the Gog and Magog war is close

    Hi Vet, I agree about Ez. 39, however there is nothing in Ez. 38 or Zech. 14 that can't also be attributed to the end of the millennium. Things aren't going to be all that different, politically and spiritually speaking, imo.
  10. Trekson

    The "HE" of Daniel 9:27

    Hi Retro, I too believe the woman of Rev. 12 is Israel, however, that doesn't mean one of the nations ruled with a rod of iron won't be Israel. Your words: "It does if the families mentioned in Zechariah 12 are to be together! You just don't WANT to believe it could be the resurrection! Be...
  11. Trekson

    Zechariah 14

    Your words: "Same subject of the army out of the northern quarters is being covered in BOTH of those Ezekiel chapters." In other words you're saying that Rev. 21:7-9 is the same army, same subject as Ez. 38 -39 and the fact that the thousand years are over is irrelevant??!! Your words: "I...
  12. Trekson

    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Hi Vet, I still say you are misinterpreting these verses and I never said anything about the "devil" coming. Let's try it another way. I agree that the main topic is the Lord's coming. Matt. 24:42-51 - "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if...
  13. Trekson

    Zechariah 14

    Hi Vet, Your words: "Try to make the gathering events of the house of Israel given at the end of Ezek.39 fit in a post-milennium time. That gathering of the whole house of Israel like it says is about the ten lost tribes being gathered by Christ, for that has never happened yet. So there's one...
  14. Trekson

    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Hi Vet, You must be having an "off" day because I know you're smarter than this! This interpretation stretches beyond believability. Matt 24:42-51 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. WHO is our Lord Jesus speaking to there? To His disciples on the Mount of Olives...
  15. Trekson

    The "HE" of Daniel 9:27

    Hi Retro, Your words: “And, I mostly agree with you, but I can only say "mostly" because you haven't yet seen that "all Isra'el" shall be a nation "born at once" when they SEE the Messiah coming, as predicted, and rescuing them from their enemies! "Seeing is believing!" One would think that...
  16. Trekson

    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Hi Foreigner, You didn't ask for the pre-wrath viewpoint but I thought I'd supply it anyways as, imo, it is the "middle" ground that cements the opposing views together. Your Questions: " - Who is the Restrainer? - Michael as depicted in Rev. 12:7-9 and Dan. 12:1. In this verse when Michael...
  17. Trekson

    The "HE" of Daniel 9:27

    Hi Retro, Your words: "Trekson, I discontinued the reading early BECAUSE I didn't want you to "muddy the waters" with your interpretation of the following verses. Just the same, now that you've opened that can of worms, why did YOU stop with verse 30? Why didn't YOU keep going? Indeed, not just...
  18. Trekson

    False Teachers claim the Gog and Magog war is close

    Hi Vet, Your words: " Why... is this false teaching about the Ezekiel 38 & 39 events being for after Christ's future Milennium making rounds today??? My Opinion: 1. to get brethren away... from looking at the nation alignment on that list in Ezek.38 and comparing it with events today. 2. to...
  19. Trekson

    The "HE" of Daniel 9:27

    Hi Retro, I know you don't want to believe that unsaved Israel isn't special anymore but it's the reality. In your Rom. 3 verses you didn't go far enough, so to take a chapter from your book, read on and pay attention to the highlighted parts. Rom. 3:9-30 - "What then? are we better than they...
  20. Trekson

    Why Should the Church Endure the Great Trib?

    Hi Axehead, Your words: "The Rapture theology only flourishes in a nation where no tribulation is happening." That's not a true statement at all. The rapture isn't about "rescue" from the great trib or from torture, imprisonment or martyrdom. The one and only thing the "rapture" is about is...