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  1. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Your challenge earlier to Doug that there are no "after effects" QUOTE "There are no survivors in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5. None shall escape." Where in eschatology are there no survivors? 2nd coming?...nope Rapture? Nope Gathering of the Jews? Nope. What does your doctrine say?
  2. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    But please show us the SPECIFIC CHANGES as per your doctrine. 1) "...DESTRUCTION AS cometh upon them as A WOMAN TRAVAILS WITH CHILD. 2) vs 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. Show all modifications you need in those verses. I will wait.
  3. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    1) 1 thes 5 2) The innumerable number martyred after the pretrib rapture 3) the 5 foolish virgins left behind 4) the ones left behind after the preflood gathering.
  4. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of...
  5. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the...
  6. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Thank you for a thoughtful post.
  7. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Nope Pure lies and you know it. Stop lying
  8. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Ok thanks. Just letting you know my overall position. ...which obviously you trample and don't care about. I am not really interested in talking to you either.
  9. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes if someone is amil or preterest, I need a heads up. Otherwise I am at a disadvantage thinking I am on board with their position. When in actuality I tend to leave those two categories to their own discussion. ( grand canyon leaps are a waste of time, and most have such a huge investment in...
  10. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes you are No I am not. Try again.
  11. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    My position is based on pre-trib Rapture verses. And that position is based on the gathering of the bride to heaven So I am Bride / groom centered. The gathering of the bride. The Bible ends with the bride calling on the groom to come fetch her. That is my overview. Your turn.
  12. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Thank you for bringing clarity. They lead people down a hamster wheel of opposition not being clear of their erroneous position. Amil deserves its own thread. Without knowing their position, and them being stealth about it, it is a glorified troll dynamic, as once someone adopts amil, or...
  13. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Can you talk like a man,? If so let's debate.
  14. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    SI has gone total ghetto mode. It is comical imagining him at a podium and cussing and screaming when someone challenges his error. " OK ladies and gentlemen, we will go to a commercial, as we sort this out" ...all the time he is screaming in the background...
  15. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I think you need a break, before you completely get undone. Whew.
  16. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Enough said. Every post of yours is now trashy ghetto juvenile nothing-ness. As you demonstrate manfully..
  17. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Like I said. When you get push back ,you go to default trigger mode and show us your ghetto talk. .. as you demonstrate over and over.
  18. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No. I now know the basisis of your erroneous deal. Will await your next trashy response, and commanding everyone to follow your directions, after we sift through your juvenile put downs.
  19. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Your nastiness destroys debate and just sends all your deal into ghettoland. You ever stand like a man and debate??? Get over the ghetto mode. You realize nobody takes a trash talker seriously????