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  1. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    A simple time line defeats you???? Hmmmmm.
  2. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    He is 99% "anti pretrib rapture". 1% takes mat 24 that has 2 separate vivid gatherings and claims his doctrine of omission is his postrib rapture belief. Reframes the Bible wildly with no red flags. All that egg on his face and his remedy is to smear more on it. What a hoot.
  3. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    " they shall not ESCAPE, but sudden destruction shall come upon them AS A WOMAN WITH A CHILD TRAVAILS". 3639 ólethros (from ollymi/"destroy") – properly, ruination with its full, destructive results (LS). 3639 /ólethros ("ruination") however does not imply "extinction" (annihilation). Rather...
  4. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Show me anywhere in his post, he depicted a postrib rapture. I will wait. I get a chuckle out of that egg on your face.
  5. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Mat 24 has 2 distinct vivid gatherings. Which you omitted.....over and over.
  6. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    "..which WERE redeemed from the earth" You are making a case for " firstfruits unto God", as meaningless, if they are not either raptured, or martyred/ resurrected.
  7. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Hmmmm I would think that a postribber would make a case that conclusively upheld that position Nothing you posted does that, but rather describes what we now posses in this earthly walk. Maybe take our verses and show us where each one has Jesus being mistaken about what He wrote.
  8. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The innumerable number are Christians that have been martyred during the tribulation. They are in heaven during the tribulation. What's interesting is that before they entered heaven the martyrs were restricted to a area under the altar, and not in the general population of Heaven. And they are...
  9. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    All the rapture verses have zero destruction. The only gathering with destruction is the one after the trib at the white horses coming. Which can not be the rapture of the Church. Impossible. So your deal is NA.
  10. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    1) is there any such a thing as race on the planet? 2) is God the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? 3) is God the God of Islam? 4) God is, hands down, the God of a race.
  11. rebuilder 454

    Response to Ricky on Pretrib

    1) been studying in eschatology for over 40 years and the only way I learned of "secret rapture" is from postribbers erroneously ascribing that word to what I believe. 2) the Antichrist, according to scripture ,kills everyone that doesn't receive the mark of the beast ,and that is during the...
  12. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    QUOTE: "only Mount Sion were dead believers go and worship the Lamb is heavenly Mount Zion. This is not an earthly scene, but heavenly!" Ooops......you just entered forbidden postribber territory. You do realized you just admitted to a rapture during the trib of the 144k firstfruits Jews...
  13. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I don't know how you hang on. No Scripture, just faith in erroneous ancient dead patriarchs writings.
  14. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Indeed. It is called the ptetrib rapture.
  15. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    He blew you out of the water. If crowns are distributed. Then the beta judgement has happened Yet another pretrib rapture dynamic, that we alone own, and you have no verses to challenge it.
  16. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    ...and yet you showed an ethnic group letting in outsiders. Ahem..a race chosen by God. You have no idea what you are talking about. That word you ascribe "racist" , is just you lowering the bar, then you ascribe God as over a race that graciously allows outsiders into THAT RACE OF GODS PEOPLE...
  17. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Before the flood. You have never unpacked it. Taken before the flood Watch and be ready before the flood.. Lot taken pre wrath. LOT REMOVED PREWRATH.
  18. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    When they are counted 2 separate ways. To vividly illustrate who they are and their number, it would be an act of desperation to muddy it up from it's literal meaning.
  19. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Who are the 144k.? Say who they are as presented in scripture without changing what is written. Dont reject what is written. Say who they are,and what ethnic tribes they are from.
  20. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You just showcased a race of God's people letting in those outside that race of God's people.