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  1. jeffweeder

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Welcome steward, Good post. Just to add a few more scriptures to the list..., 2Tim 4 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season...
  2. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Jesus ascended and was hidden by a cloud. He was then presented before the Father. That Happened. He was given dominion and a kingdom. Dan 7 13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a son of man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And...
  3. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I prefer diced or julienne but never butchered like that.
  4. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I will give it a go. The 144.000 are a percentage of all the tribes of Israel. That places them into another class of people with Abraham's quality of faith and Abe wasnt an Israelite or a jew. Just a little bit of Abe in all of them and any other human being who believes in Jesus. That creates...
  5. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You have just set a new world record for the number of times you have been wrong. Job 14 10 But a man dies and lies prostrate. A person passes away, and where is he? 11 As water evaporates from the sea, And a river becomes parched and dried up, 12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the...
  6. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Neither Matt 24 or 25 say anything about him ruling over the nations. Its all about mourning in anticipation of judgment - Imo. I am of the opinion that Dan 7 is about the Son being presented to the Father after his victory on the cross. “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with...
  7. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Thanks. In both instances the elect are gathered to him (to his right) from all nations. The rest from all nations mourn as they end up on his left. Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes (nations) of the...
  8. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    John also depicts two resurrections here..., Chap 5 25 I assure you and most solemnly say to you, a time is coming and is [here] now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear it will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself [and is self-existent]...
  9. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I was just stating a fact Doug. You held to your own interpretation of Revelation 20 despite what Paul had to say about the subject in 2Thess 2. Anyway, I have nothing else to say to you unless you are willing to discuss what the rest of the NT gas to say on these matters. God bless
  10. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What personal attack? Can you not see that the restraining influence is lifted in 2Thess 2? Can you not see that satan goes forth in all power of deception as a consequence? Why ask me questions you already know the answer to? Its clear I believe satans last deception is prior to the Lords...
  11. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You know the answer. Without fail you think more highly of your own interpretation of symbolic old and New Testament literature than you do of plainly written informative NT letters by people of the Lords own choosing. Do yourself a favor and pray about it.
  12. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    satan last deception occurs just before the second coming. The restraining influence is lifted, and the great chain is unlocked..., 2Thess 2 8 Then the lawless one [the Antichrist] will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by the...
  13. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    hmmx1: Would you mind quoting the chapter and verse?
  14. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Amen. Revelation 2:11 He who has an ear, let him hear and heed what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes [the world through believing that Jesus is the Son of God] will not be hurt by the second death (the lake of fire).’ Rev 1 4 John, to the seven churches that are in [the...
  15. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The thought did cross my mind.
  16. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    As they are believers and born again, they have already escaped judgment according to Jesus in Jn 5. John is in no way implying a physical resurrection facilitates not being hurt by the judgment (second death) I do not know what else I can say to you
  17. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The Lord is not an author of confusion by speaking of two comings for us without clearly telling us.
  18. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I find it hard to believe that after all these years Doug didn't know that. :astonished: