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  1. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Where did Jesus teach this?
  2. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    so why do you believe the first resurrection of Rev 20 involves a physical resurrection in order to escape coming into judgment? Jn 5 24 “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, the person who hears My word [the one who heeds My message], and believes and trusts in Him who sent Me, has...
  3. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I addressed this already. From post 1062 11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away]. 35 Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My...
  4. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What you are suggesting is a small number of future tribulation saints who refuse the mark of the beast are worthy of not coming into the future judgment of the second death. What of the 1st century saints like Paul who were martyred, not to mention all those who have been killed for the faith...
  5. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Like this..., 4 Therefore, we speak of you with pride among the churches of God for your steadfastness [your unflinching endurance, and patience] and your firm faith in the midst of all the persecution and [crushing] distress which you endure. 5 This is a positive proof of the righteous...
  6. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    In all of their enrichening correspondence, I don't see Amills like Jesus, Paul, Peter or Jude using them either. What did you think of my last post to you? 1062.
  7. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Thanks to full atonement being made (the 70 weeks) The most Holy place has been anointed. Heb 10 18 Now where there is [absolute] forgiveness and complete cancellation of the penalty of these things, there is no longer any offering [to be made to atone] for sin. 19 Therefore, believers, since...
  8. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus, fulfilment of the 70 weeks and the way made clear for man to the most Holy place, Holy Spirit infilling as a result and Passing from death to life= First resurrection, Gospel goes Global before the end through much tribulation. The end being the second...
  9. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    But The Apostle Paul had it figured out right? He didn't totally confuse the issues like some do.
  10. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yeah, good to get the band back together :musicn2:
  11. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Matthew 18:19 “Again I say to you, that if two believers on earth agree [that is, are of one mind, in harmony] about anything that they ask [within the will of God], it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. :woohoo!:
  12. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Great to see you back Roger. I was thinking about you yesterday and here you are :Agreed:
  13. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    acts 2 20 ‘The sun shall be turned into darkness And the moon into blood, Before the great and glorious day of the Lord comes. 2Thess 2 2 Now in regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to meet Him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to be quickly unsettled...
  14. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The scripture you use for that, v36,37,38 is incomplete and out of context as I already showed you. 35 Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away. 36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His...
  15. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    More context on heaven and earth passing away at a day or hour unknown at the Lords coming, This should be obvious 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not provide its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the...
  16. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That scripture informs us that it cannot be pretrib..., Mk 13 31 Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away. 32 But of that [exact] day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone. Matt 24 35...
  17. jeffweeder

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Not found in the Gospels.? Did Jesus forget say something below? :contemplate: Mk 13 21 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed)!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it; 22 for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will provide...
  18. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Old Testamen unbelieving Israel was always destined to be replaced by believing Israel, the Church whether, Jew and Gentiles.
  19. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    :rolleyes: Rev 1 9 I, John, your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patient endurance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos, [exiled there] because of [my preaching of] the word of God [regarding eternal salvation] and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was...
  20. jeffweeder

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I think the place he has gone to prepare is the NHNE. After all that's where we will dwell with God forever. So, the Lord will come again, and we will be with him in the place prepared in a twinkling of an eye. Rev 21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first...