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  1. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    This was not addressed to me, but I'm speaking to this anyway... <smile> So, okay. No, not exactly. <smile> How can there be a lake, which is a body of water, made up of fire? On its face, if taken absolutely, woodenly literally, those two things cannot co-exist or be the same thing...
  2. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Well, yes, it will certainly be rebuilt, and God, it's Designer and Builder, is doing that right now. As the writer of Hebrews says, even Abraham "was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God" (11:10). We, rebuilder, we who are in Christ, are...
  3. PinSeeker

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Only sometimes. Mostly they prophesy about the present, about very present issues and things. Now, they will also apply and will be applicable to folks future to them, but still, mostly about present things... ever-present things in this world in that sense. Grace and peace to you, David.
  4. PinSeeker

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    @TribulationSigns is right, @WPM. No, Cain is not the devil... <smile> ...and I'm, uh, pretty surrrrrre... <chuckles> ...TS is not postulating or asserting that... The origin of evil we cannot know. One thing we do know, because John tells us in John 1:2-3, is that Jesus "was in the beginning...
  5. PinSeeker

    Why the great chain?

    It's not about "impeding the Gospel Salvation message"... that is what he is absolutely unable to do... bound and sealed from doing. Now, how does he "exert influence on the outside world?" Well, we are warned about and encouraged in resisting it in various ways all through the New Testament...
  6. PinSeeker

    Why the great chain?

    Well, in your opinion, sure. <smile> And in a certain way, this is true of all of us, you included. Ohhhhh, boy. <smile> Sure. Agree in principle, yes. <smile> I really like your use of the word 'this' here... <smile> Grace and peace to you.
  7. PinSeeker

    Why the great chain?

    Incapacitated in a certain sense, yes, from... I mean you know the verse in Revelation 20. But it's that sense which is the matter of disagreement. As I have said, we can draw an analogy to a prisoner who has been incarcerated... and in a locked cell, of course... <smile> and is shut off...
  8. PinSeeker

    Why the great chain?

    Well, it is literal, but just not in the... wooden sense that they understand that literalness. Well aware. I don't think "most premills" understand that, exactly, that he has a physical body. It's just about the nature of the binding, the extent of it, really... complete incapacitation, like...
  9. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    First let me say, Davy, that at least to this point, I appreciate your conversational tone. Again, at least to this point, it's different than what it has been at times in the past, and different from recent conversations I've had with some other posters here... <smile> Anyway... Agree...
  10. PinSeeker

    Why the great chain?

    Hmmm, "entombed," or "bound"... another very misunderstood concept... And "the millennium"... different understandings among many regarding the nature of this "thousand years" and when it is... And "obliterated"... <chuckles> Not in the sense of annihilation... Right, all will be made brand...
  11. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    But if they have been born again of the Spirit, they will not "take the Mark of the Beast." Because their will is no longer to do the will of their former father, the devil (John 6, 8, and 10) but to do the will of the Father. Never does Paul teach or even insinuate that we can lose our...
  12. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    <chuckles> Disagree, of course... Sure. When Jesus comes back (bringing all the saints who have gone on before), He will seize ~ in the sense of finally claiming, taking back, and redeeming all that is His, all of creation included. It is not in the sense of "removing" anybody and taking...
  13. PinSeeker

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    ..."must soon take place..." Couldn't you possibly understand that as soon starting to take place, Rockerduck? And I'm not necessarily saying, at least right now, that you should or shouldn't. But can you not think that is possibly a valid way to understand that? And 'soon' is used in...
  14. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Not at all. I'm not even sure how you come to that conclusion, but no matter. Like Peter says (citing Isaiah, of course), "all flesh is like grass and all its glory like the flower of grass. The grass withers, and the flower falls, but the word of the Lord remains/endures forever."...
  15. PinSeeker

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Both Moses and Elijah were shadows/types of Christ. Just to elaborate a bit on what I said previously, in Revelation 11, the witnesses work miraculous signs of judgment, in a manner reminiscent of Moses and Elijah, two great miracle-working prophets from the Old Testament. Like Moses and...
  16. PinSeeker

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    So here's what I say, William: I say, like John indicates in Revelation 10:1-11... the vision of Revelation 10:1-11 speaks in a general fashion of John’s being empowered to continue to prophesy... the two witnesses of Revelation 11 are models for all the saints to imitate. All of us are to...
  17. PinSeeker

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Right, but there are instances in Scripture where He is called "the angel of God." These are in the Old Testament, and we call them theophanies; they are pre-advent appearances of Christ. For sure. A little lower than, as the Psalmist says (8:5), quoted by the writer of Hebrews (2:7). And...
  18. PinSeeker

    Why the great chain?

    Might be... somewhat... interesting to know what each individual here thinks "Satan entered into him" actually means... That seems to be a big issue in just about every thread and every topic discussed on here. Maybe the first step is to define the specifics first, and agree on that if...
  19. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Part of the problem here is that everybody here thinks they are.... "rightly dividing" Scripture. So just saying, "I'm doing that and you're not!"... everybody here is doing that, and thinks they're right. Right? <smile> So anyone here can offer their opinion, and in the end, that's all...
  20. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    An interesting question... Or if there even is a "Rapture" at all, right Peter? <smile> Grace and peace to you.