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I don't believe they could have. The Antichrist church had driven civilization into the DARK AGES. And their dealing with the theology that still impacts the WHOLE CHURCH today was also as poor. spiritually But FLESH never existed before EDEN. "In the beginning" God never had flesh DNA...

You aren't even reading the text in context. 1CO 14:4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. Context for this verse is prayer tongues from your "spirit" verse 2. Prayer from you to God for self edification....helps-YOU.

Me too, just not the way it was endorsed in 400 AD by the church of Rome. Are you sure? Doesn't say that's His name, even in the context 2 verses earlier. Jesus is not even named that many times in the whole Book of The Revelation. . REV 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his...

:Agreed: 0796 astrape: lightning; by anal. glare MAT 24:27 For as the lightning/GLARE comes from the EAST and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of man. Not the "son of God" or the "son of David" but the "Son of man".....hmmmm? MAT 28:3 His countenance was like...

Wow, read it and agreed and disagreed with so much. But you wrote so much that it was TOOOO much to deal with in this format. Would love to sit at a table and chew the meat together, and spitting out the bones? If we could both agree what was bones. hlo I would just point out one thing...

I know. Origin's teachings didn't start with him. And they didn't start spreading at the end of the fourth century. They became so widely accepted they became a threat to the EASTERN ORTHODOX catholic church only. Origin is credited with first systematically teaching and defending the...

Origen died around 254 AD, before the formal split between Greek speaking Eastern Orthodox and Latin speaking Western Orthodox. Both were still considered to be the ONE body of Christ catholic church on earth. His controversial views on 'pre-existence of souls' and 'universal salvation' were...

You still didn't answer my other question from post 145. "What would the first death have been here." (In Gen 2:17) "And please provide a scripture." "Your corrections" were the first thing I did notice. I believe you know Greek much better than I. But I don't know where to draw the line...

It does sadden me to hear your testimony. I say that because this is the 3rd forum I have truly spent at least some time. But nothing like the first two where I amassed thousands of posts before being kicked off And I always majored in the 'Unorthodox" I have always 'tried' to 'first' extend...

Hello Jay, I don't see the "second death" mentioned there in Genesis, or any other book until The Revelation. What would the first death have been here in Genesis? And please provide a scripture. I know I give too much when I post, but you are not providing any. Name that/those scriptures you...

We know that Jesus paid the price for sin.... • Spiritual death. Did Jesus 'die spiritually' for our sins on the cross? I know of no verse. • Separation from God? What verse backs that? Cain left the presence of the LORD and he wasn't even born in the Garden. Can we assume Adam took the...

I have been taught, but not just by listening to teaching about tongues that scared me when I first heard it. I went home and studied it for a week. And I didn't just study by reading the written word, but by letting the Spirit of the spoken word speak to me during that week. Then I got it, a...

Sorry, but I just remembered a book I have in my library. It was written by DEREK PRINCE and named FOUNDATIONAL SERIES. It's 600 pages long. On page 204 he names the 4 different baptisms he believes Heb 6;2 is talking about. And the 2nd baptism he deals with, I will quote; "..there is a type...

You are from Nairobi in Kenya. What language are you referring to above Brother MJ? :contemplate: If you were a Jew on Pentecost, from where Kenya is now, you would have heard whatever language was spoken 2,000 years ago. What is your Christian experience so far? Do you go to a...

1CO 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: He speaks of his spirit's prayer language when he wasn't even in church. 1CO 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an...

I read 'an opinion' only, from your #65 response. I posted 4 scriptures from "God's word" sitting on my desk, to support my opinion. My opinon disagrees again. Please show me one verse supporting your post or refuting my posted 4 verses. And now, you respond with nothing but another opinion...

Your understanding is based only upon OT verses. My opinion is that SPIRIT trumps SOUL in the NT. ROM 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you...

The Gr. word "pneuma" is in chapter 14 six times and is not once is it even capitalized. But it is talking about empowerment given to us, from The Holy Spirit. 1CO 14:2* For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in...

THAT'S correct. And I never said it did. The doctrines were plural in the context. Then I will post the same thing I did last time. If you still believe the way you did, we really just need to agree to disagree from now on. But I will ask you to remind me in the future if ever I try to talk...