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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    It's like you're trying to make a case that you're not going to recognize the Antichrist, when it will be evident to probably millions of Christians that this guy is evil and we can see what he is and who he is way before he takes power ,just like we saw it with Obama. but there were millions...
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    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    ...and yet rev 14 has two gatherings to heaven DURING THE TRIBULATION So your doctrine fooled you into believing the dead in Christ are NOT RAISED first. Just reporting verses Refute the bible if you must.
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Satan is both restrained and revealed. Obama was revealed way before he took power. Those walking in the spirit are hard to fool. We will see him right away.way before he takes power. Hitler is another example. Many were not fooled. Many apart from God were . Jesus said,"my sheep hear my voice...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    MY post was explicit. Yours is yet another meaningless dodge. That most always means surrender to my forcing you to refute the bible
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Suit yourself. At some point maybe "tribes", "12 thousand", "144 thousand," and " firstfruits" will be understood outside your reframing of Gods word. Until then just ascribe whatever to it. SMH
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I took the time to give you a very small generalized teaching on first fruits and what it is. You are taking first fruits and seeming to transform that into something meaningless that has nothing to do with a portion of the Harvest. First fruits is actually a portion of the main Harvest. I...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Then "first fruits" has no meaning. Harvest is three or four parts depending on how you look at it. And so by you making the entire Gathering to heaven as just one massive first fruit then there's no reason to call Christ first fruits. You have taken away that meaning.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    No matter how many sentences you post Revelation 19 stands alone. That setting starts in heaven and it depicts one Rider on a white horse Jesus, leading an army of saints possibly millions or billions on millions or billions of white horses. And when they come they do battle with the Antichrist...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    QUOTE; "Revelation 19 is not a surprise event. It is a planned event down to the day and the hour. Revelation 19 is what is called Armageddon. Revelation 19 is 3.5 days after the 2 witnesses are killed. The 7 vials are poured out during those 3.5 days. Revelation 19 is the winepress of God's...
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    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Oh I TOTALLY AGREE that the AC is revealed FIRST then the rapture. Do a study on "revealed". Obama was REVEALED before he ever took power. ANY BELIEVER will be able to see the AC for who he is LONG BEFORE he takes power. So "revealed" has no bearing on hoping for a postrib rapture. One of your...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Not even close. The word of God is explicit in their number The word of God goes to the extreme of showing explicitly how that EXPLICIT NUMBER is arrived at.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    You have never heard the bible teaching on "Jesus descended to paradise and preached to those in prison?" The patriarchs were in paradise. The cross was in their future. Once Jesus purchased us/ them, Jesus went and brought that revelation to them.( they were not yet redeemed...no purchase had...
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    The False vs True Gift Of Tongues

    ok That's nice. Nothing wrong with being a Baptist. They just lower the bar. Others as you point out lower it also. The man that teaches our men's bible study which is practically 100% Baptist is also a Baptist himself. He went to a Revival meeting one time and there was prayer afterwards and...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    At the second coming the sky is blackened with millions of white horses because Jesus is on the lead horse and the armies of Heaven, millions and millions of saints, following on white horses. There is not a single Rapture verse where the setting includes white horses nor is there any room for...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I had just pointed out you generalized accusations that you decided to invoke instead of debating verses. What do you do? Go to the same Ole mess. SMH
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    i think what we have here is a futile attempt by replacement theology adherents to change the bible. Seems like it.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    What???? What do you think you illustrated? I have shown you that FIRSTFRUITS PRECEDES main harvest. The 144k are firstfruits. First fruit jews...impossible to miss that. I am just reporting verses. Unfortunately you are going against the bible. The only explanation that you need that changed...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    We can generalize anything into a different meaning. You just proved it. Paul considered himself a Jew I can read it and receive it. I am not protecting extra biblical doctrine.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    when I see these general personal attacks, it is a sign they can not debate scripture.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Matt 27 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy...