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The 144k EXACT NUMBER IS; Men Virgins Not defiled by women Firstfruits Tribes 144k number is precise ....authenticated in that they are numbered two separate ways. All your sentences are batting the air trying to come up with a desperate solution.. It is declared EMPHATICALLY that the 144k...

There is zero to support the idea that there are 2 separate groups of 144k. Show me a ministry that agrees with that bizarre assertion. Find somebody that agrees with you. Are you the only one with that assertion???? That is TOTALLY made up.

The watchtower religion at one time said they were the 144k. They repented eventually. There is cling to error that is painful to admit and drop. Hurts the Ole pride, but is refreshing to be on the same page as Gods word. In no way are you of the 144k and NONE of us ever will be.

Yes It is foolish to begin. With a premise from the mind. That premise, is of course, replacement theology. The premise is that there are no more Jews, or that whatever is left if them are just disposable humanoids in Gods eyes. Now you know why their filly is so bizarre. They are LITERALLY...

Show me "spiritual tribes" that you bet the farm on. And yes do breath when you do come up with such a bizarre thing in Gods word. And tell us what "spiritual tribe" you belong to. Should be easy.

What is actually going on here is we see replacement theology needs to get unbelievably bizarre with the 144k Jewish first fruits. SMH Truly bizarre

Your argument is pure supposition When one spiritualizes a bible dynamic, especially in a book that changing things is forbidden, you better make sure you have traction. The entire reason you and others need 144k to NOT BE 144k is your bogus doctrine PROHIBITS IT. The reason "men" can NOT BE...

now you pretend you are erroneously changing 144k jewish men, into some "spiritual doctrinal invention", of an invented gentile church REFRAME job ,by being full of faith and obedience?????

Some here are insisting that the 144k is actually the church. Some insist the 144k are actually the gentile bride and that bride is "FIRSTFRUITS" Lets pretend they are correct. That means the church is in heaven during the trib ( arrived at by transposing the church into the 144k in rev 14) So...

Deliver you from accusation and a spirit of haughtiness. If you are going to present yourself as spiritual and superior, then stop changing a book that it is forbidden to change. Are you aware of the warning against changing revelation??????

I am not the one reframing what is written.

Interesting that the description is explicit, but you say it can not possibly be ethnic Jews. When in fact it says they are. But you don't stop there . You say the church is celebrate and all us gentiles are of the 12 tribes. Then you go on to say the church is only men. 144k MEN THE TRUTH is...

144k and "firstfruits" are both ethnic Jews. Stop reframing Gods word.

I mostly agree except Rev 19 is in heaven with the already gathered saints from 7 years prior. It can not be in anyway associated wit a pretrib rapture. Read what it actually says 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made...

Not even close Rev 14 has the gathering of the living during the trib. So your deal is 100% debunked Or just change 1 thes to ;" the dead in Christ DO NOT rise first. A babe in Christ with a bible can see through the postribber speculations.

.see this is what I am talking about.. Thank you. The church ancients were frequently SPECULATING. Iraneaos sp? Wrote the book on the heretics of his day. Tons of error in those ancient dead men that postribbers have built HALF THEIR DOCTRINE ON. We can say clearly that postribbers , find some...

Good find. It is a chore keeping postribbers honest. They pull " mcDonald" , Lahaye, Darby, Schofield, and dead ancient men like gunslingers. All extra biblical nothing burgers. But those side shows are ACTUALLY PILLARS of their doctrine. I read McDonald vision/ dream, or whatever it is called...

postribber challenge. Show me how to interpret the statements by Jesus he is gathering pre flood.

Exactly. When those verses are in context, we have Jesus saying He is GATHERING pretrib 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came...