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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    In that case, I concede, thus take back what I wrongly was suspecting.. If @IndianaRob already indicated he is a partial Preterist, then that's good enough for me. His word should mean something. I see no reason why he would lie about it.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Why do you want to to contradict the text in Matthew 27:52? It clearly says their physical bodies not their souls/spirits. If their physical bodies did not come out of their graves then neither did Christ's physical body come out of the grave. Except no Christian is going to argue that Christ's...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Both resurrection events recorded in Dan 12:2 indeed happen together, and that they happen when Christ initially returns. Except none of it is meaning Revelation 20:11-15 though. When Rev 20:11-15 takes place, regardless when it takes place, the saved are already in immortal bodies that happen...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    No one is arguing that Christ quits reigning when Satan is released. Christ's reign is not the issue. The question is whether the saints continue to reign with Christ in the same sense throughout satan's little season. If Revelation 20:4-6 means that the saints reign with Christ for a thousand...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Are you echoing what I already agree with and said? Or are you somehow having a dispute with what I said? I clearly said Daniel 7:13-15 involves a bodily ascension. Which then means this scenario---Christ is intially bodily on the earth, then is seen bodily leaving the earth in Acts 1, and then...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    There are a number of Amils posting in this thread. Name which Amil or Amils that agree with you about this. Would like to hear their reasoning as to why they would agree despite that Rev 20:7 makes it crystal clear that the thousand years expire once they have served their purpose. Then what...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I'm not meaning in regard to NOSAS, in this case, when I'm arguing my view can maybe fit Amil theology when you think about it and logically reason through some of these things. I'm meaning in regard to the door of salvation being closed once the thousand years expire and satan's little season...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    In my view, when the time of the 42 month reign of the beast arrives, everyone that is going to be saved have already been saved. IOW, the door to salvation is closed at this point. One can then lose their salvation, but no one can be added to the saved. And when you think about it this might...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    In Daniel 7 He does not come in power and glory. He is given power and glory only after He has arrived first. It is in Matthew 24:30 that He comes in power and glory. Therefore, Daniel 7 involves a bodily ascension. Matthew 24:30 involves a bodily return. Not even remotely the same era of time...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Maybe in context pertaining to the MOTB, not everyone on the planet is meant, but only those within the body of Christ are meant. Which then means they already repented, thus were already saved, but then fell away and lost their salvation when they decided to worship the beast instead. Except...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    What are you meaning by this? I don't know if I agree or disagree with you.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    You indicated that the post in question did not promote Preterism, period. Not even partial Preterism. IIMO, this "like' feature can be misleading at times, and that is one reason I don't use it as much I could. Because per some posts I might actually like, thus agree, with some things they...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Are you serious? You don't believe, in regard to the 2nd coming, that when someone says 'was', that it does not infer Preterism? What planet are you living on? Can't be the same planet some of the rest of us are living on. Ask him what he meant by the 2nd coming 'was'. Everyone knows, thus...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Why are you then liking posts that promote full Preterism? Do the right thing then, unlike that post so no one gets the wrong impression about you. When someone says Christ's 2nd coming 'was', they are not meaning it occurs in the future still. They are clearly meaning it already occurred in the...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    As to @IndianaRob I think he may be a full Preterist rather than a partial Preterist. How can anyone that thinks Christ's 2nd coming already happened not be a full Preterist?
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Do we have at least 2 full Preterists posting in this thread? Both have indicated the 2nd coming has already occurred. Post #491 and the other person that liked that post, thus agreed with that post. In regard to Christ's 2nd coming, post #491 @IndianaRob used the the word 'was' not 'is'...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    First of all, I agree that Matthew 28:18 and Ephesians 1:20-22 establish Christ's present authority and reign. That's not what I'm disputing. I'm asking whether Revelation 11:15-19 has already occurred. Those verses don't merely say that Christ possesses authority. They place the seventh trumpet...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Just so we are on the same page here. When I said in that other post I agree with this logic, it doesn't mean I was agreeing with you that the 7th trumpet has already sounded. The logic I'm agreeing with is this. Once the 7th trumpet sounds, regardless when it sounds, be it in the past or be it...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I for certain agree with this logic. No disputes there then. When the 7th trumpet sounds and after it sounds, all of the following must follow. How many of the following below can fit with when Matthew 28:18 and Ephesians 1:20-22 is initially meaning? BTW, I do not disagree---past tense, in...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    You are asking the wrong question. The correct question is--when will the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord? The answer---when the 7th trumpet sounds. And that the 7th trumpet is yet to sound, not already sounded, like your question implies. So what point were you intending...