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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Some interpreters on both sides are arguing you can't be worshiping the beast until you receive it's mark first. Or maybe you can't be doing one without the other. Let's look at the contrast and see if that is true of the contrast. Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    IMO, in order to gain more insight into buying and selling, maybe one should determine that in light of Revelation 18, for instance? That ch appears to be involving buying and selling. But in what sense though, I'm not entirely certain. Actually Revelation 13-14, 17-19 have a number of things in...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    This is because the 37-year-old doesn't need to use a bank card or his mobile phone to pay. Instead, he simply places his left hand near the contactless card reader, and the payment goes through. The microchip implants that let you pay with your hand That's from that link. Already it...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    To some in here that would be a moot point. Some seem to be arguing that buying and selling does not literally involve things of that nature. That it is meaning something else, that it is meaning in a different sense. Which then begs the question. Assuming they might be right, when are any of...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    As far as Revelation is concerned, some things could have soon began happening 2000 years ago. But that doesn't mean everything in the book of Revelation began being fulfilled 2000 years ago. Clearly, for example, Rev 20:10-15 did not soon start getting fulfilled 2000 years ago. Some views don't...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Do you not see what verse 1 says in the Greek? measure the temple(naos not hieron) of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. If you were correct, the Greek word used would have been hieron rather that naos. The angel was not a rookie. He chose his words carefully. If he meant the...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I get that. So, simply explain then with Scripture proving it, what it is that saints are not allowed to buy and sell but those with the MOTB are allowed to buy and sell. A) Have the MOTB = can buy and sell B) Don't have the MOTB = can't buy and sell If it's something spiritual related, what...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    The buying and selling of exactly what, that only those with the MOTB are permitted to do???????? If it's not material things, then what it is that only those with the MOTB are permitted to buy and sell, but those without the MOTB are not permitted to buy and sell? How can it be something...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Yes me and what I've been saying to myself about your proposed interpretation of Revelation 13:17. You must have read my mind, the fact you bring this up. Revelation 13:17 clearly says, that unless one has the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name, that person is not...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Do you believe the mark God put on Cain was a literal mark? If yes then no commentary is necessary unless you want to provide some. If no then commentary is necessary so that we can understand why you conclude the mark was not literal.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I want to test and see if you are being consistent throughout. The city and temple meant in Revelation 11:1-2. Literal or non literal?
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Except that is not always the case. For example, I take the thousand years in 2 Peter 3:8 to mean a literal thousand years. And I have arguments for as to why. Except not one AI I have conversed with about this subject agrees with my conclusions, including this same AI here. If you are entirely...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Those who attack the poor, their day is coming. And it's not going to be a pleasant day for them when it does come.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    You are going to be an easy target then, and not even put up any resistance. That assuming a mandatory mark of some kind is enforced in order to buy and sell. And if that scenario indeed becomes a reality someday, it is absurd that it's just a coincidence, nothing to fear, that it's not meaning...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Though, the AI I used initially conceded about some things, it has since then changed it's mind based on another angle I brought to it's attention which might be relevant to Rev 16:2 and the point Claude was making per it. That can' be found in my post before this one.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    In regard to post # 216 Me to this same AI I have been chatting with: IMO, you haven't lost the debate nor are losing the debate. Because there is something else to factor in here which could be relevant to Revelation 16:2, but in a reversed manner. Exodus 12:23 For the LORD will pass...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Now I don't know what to think. LOL. I just submitted your post to the AI I was using. -------------------- Claude makes a very sharp, logically sound critique of my previous response. I have to concede that Claude catches a genuine flaw in my reasoning, specifically regarding how I handled...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    This same AI, I just asked it the following? What is your opinion on that? Is this AI actually thinking and reasoning things for itself in this case? Or is it like you say, AIs can't be trusted because they are simply repeating info they were trained on? -------------------- Me: Since you are a...
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    Can we know the day and hour of Jesus' return?

    What point? I can't provide you any Scriptures for a view I don't even hold nor a view not found in the Bible itself. I don't think the universe nor the planet will be literally engulfed in flames regardless when 2 Peter 3:10-12 is meaning. All I know is, there are many Premils who conclude that...