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Do you think Him not to have been right there? "And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain" (Revelation 5:6). No... <smile> Well... "...He went and took the scroll from the right hand of Him Who was seated on...

Ah, well, it does exist... Notice I said 'does' and not 'will'... But yes, it does "exist in Scripture," but there is much disagreement on the nature of it, not whether it is or will be a reality or not. Grace and peace to you.

Not sure if this is what you're getting at or not, EWQ, but it... depends on what one means when the speak of the fire and water, which on its face I'm sure seems like a ridiculous thing to say to some folks here, but... The flood in Noah's day that swept away every living thing besides Noah...

There will be a lot of... hand-wringing <smile> ...over this comment, I'm sure, but... Scriptural numerology is a very interesting study... and is not always the same from passage to passage, writer to writer. Much of Daniel is apocalyptic in genre and highly symbolic, just as is John's...

Paul says we are, in Ephesians 2:5-6, as I said. And I would tell you that it's in the same way that Jesus is with us now... just as He said He would be, in Matthew 28:20. <chuckles> Well, by and in the Holy Spirit. Again, having been born again of the Holy Spirit, we have been made alive...

@WPM @covenantee I'm not exactly sure what they would say, RDB, but I'll answer to this: Jesus's Kingship in God's millennium is certainly not fabricated, by any stretch of the imagination... I think we all agree on that. And... We all have part in it now. As Paul says, we who have been born...

@Davidpt Addendum to the above: The whole... "debate"... regarding the millennium is like the "debate" concerning creation in a way. There are those who believe God created the earth and the universe in six 24-hour periods (young earth theory), and those who believe a "day" in Genesis 1...

Ah, well, I'm not sure if you're saying what I think you're saying here or not, but this whole disagreement around God's millennium and whether it's yet to come, here now, or already past is... Well, I'll just say that really, it shouldn't cause such discord or disdain or... just to make it a...

Two simple things (at least they should be simple, but we have a way of... complicating things... :)... God's true Israel, at any given time, all the way back to Abraham's day, consists of all those who have been called by God and born again of the Spirit and thus in Christ. The "millennium" of...

Well, fully, yes. But it started to be fulfilled long ago. Yes... but to what you say here, who is the true Jewish population? It's not regarding ethnicity, as we can see clearly throughout Paul's writings, particularly Romans 2:28-29, Romans 9-11, Ephesians 1:11-22, and... oh, Galatians...

Hmmm... If one understands correctly who God's Israel really has always been and is and will be, then all these things can be properly understood. God has been bringing His Israel ~ which Paul defines in Romans 2:28-29, saying, "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision...

"Preterists have it wrong"... Well, not completely, but yes, generally, I agree with you regarding preterism. And I think WPM does, too, which was what I responded to originally addressed you here in this thread. I mean, this particular thing is not worth arguing about, really, but no, they...

Nope. Not to "dispute," per se, but words are important, no? Of course not. You're reading that into it. Not that you mean to be, but in a venue like this, the communication roles are completely reversed at times ~ the receiver has to apply his or her own non-verbal communication to what has...

Not always. In different contexts, yes, one or the other. But the second death is not physical; they are not... well, not annihilated. Many are... will be, of course... resurrected to judgment. Whether you agree or disagree with this, I'm not sure. "here are some more for your enjoyment to...

LOL! Well, I like for things to be clear and unambiguous and correct, yes... <smile> Right, but you seem to be getting the order wrong, and ~ just in this assertion at face value ~ seem to be misunderstanding what this "everlasting destrction," and their "perishing in fire" really are. You...

Uh oh. <smile> The destruction of the wicked happens because of the judgment... being on the wrong side of it (on Jesus's left; Matthew 25:41-46). Well, as a result of the judgment, they enter into the second death. They are sent away by Christ, and they depart. Neither their body nor their...

Okay, fair enough; I say the same of you. Actually I agree with this promise, of course, but again, the issue is the understanding of what it actually means "sit upon" this "throne" to all generations. And now the same applies to "last days," which is spoken of by the writer of Hebrews in...

@Scott Downey Hmmm... to all that <smile>... I would say: "We do not not see it yet, but it is true" Some of us do... <smile> And actually we all do, but many don't recognize it. But yes, it's true... "You kind of cut me off there." I mean not really, just (as in this post) quoting the...

But it's not about Him actually sitting on a literal chair of any kind. <smile> Or literal body positioning... <smile> Nor was it concerning David, even though, yes, David probably had an actual throne room and throne at some point. Right. But that's true now, just not yet in person...

Don't think he (WPM) does, Ronald. <smile> Nobody "symbolizes" anything, Ronald. But some do understand the extensive symbolism of the images given in Scripture, and that doesn't just apply to John's Revelation, but also to many other parts of Scripture, Old and New Testament alike. Ah, but...