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  1. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Hmmm... This question was not asked of me, I know, but I'm going to speak to it here... I'm having a bit of trouble understanding the question. Maybe if I rephrase it, you can comment on whether you agree or disagree with that rephrasing... if it makes it clearer. I would ask it this way...
  2. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Either one takes it literally or he (or she) doesn't; there is no general versus specific. But I do understand the "specific sense" that you speak of, and that's the problem. Well me, too, but the issue is who Israel is. Literally. <smile> Maybe so, but there is no replacement. Of...
  3. PinSeeker

    Rapture ... soon?

    Well, in the sense that as Christians we all are raptured ~ now ~ to Jesus, yes. <smile> And we have eternal life now, yes. They don't mean to... <smile> Grace and peace!
  4. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Well, not all of natural Israel are chosen, right, WPM? Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, right? Right, and many have. And thus have become part of God's household, His Israel. Right, this is God's...
  5. PinSeeker

    Rapture ... soon?

    Right. Jesus's return will certainly be a rapturous event, though... <smile> ...a true and final 'harpazo,' a seizing, of what is His, in Paul's context in 1 Thessalonians 4. Those who are still alive at that time will go out to meet him, but nobody will be going anywhere, in the sense of...
  6. PinSeeker

    Rapture ... soon?

    Right, since Jesus's time on earth, and thus His commission to all of us as recorded by Matthew in Matthew 28:19-20. But that wasn't what I was referring to. It's being spread, and that's by the Spirit through us. Ugh. <smile> There have been many earthquakes, and many quite devastating...
  7. PinSeeker

    Rapture ... soon?

    Well, right now, yes, but the millennium, the thousand years, will come to an end, and thus the millennial reign. But of course Jesus's reign will not come to and end... then will be His eternal reign. In the present millennium, yes, and for eternity. Grace and peace!
  8. PinSeeker

    Rapture ... soon?

    I'm painting with pretty broad brush strokes, here, but... The "beast of the sea" is a counterfeit of Christ. He is "of the sea," so "arising" out of evil. As such, this beast represents persecuting power, especially the power of a demonized state. The "beast arising out of the earth" is...
  9. PinSeeker

    Rapture ... soon?

    And have those things not been happening for the last 2000 years? <smile> I mean if you're still looking for those things, maybe you should... pay more attention to what's going on around you... <smile> Right, it will be sudden, that's for sure. His return. Actually, though, I do think...
  10. PinSeeker

    Rapture ... soon?

    The Bible ~ specifically Revelation 20:1-6, of course ~ does say, though, that there is a millennial period. And Jesus says... said, actually, a bit over 2000 years ago now... that He is King. And that His kingdom is not of this world. Not "not in this world," but rather "not of this world"...
  11. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    No apology necessary... But it is a bit curious; you just assumed I was of the female gender and called me "sister"...? Hm. Well, again... no matter. What are you even talking about here, Bladerunner? Certainly not Revelation 1:3... "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to...
  12. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Ah, you know, I love our sisters in Christ... especially the really hot ones... <smile> ...but I'm a brother. That seems fairly obvious from my avatar, but whatever... LOL! Hmmm... well, in that case, yes, not of God, so not born again of the Spirit, but you may be elect, but not yet born...
  13. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Yes. To each his own. Not sure what a "6 point Calvinst" is... <chuckles> The acronym for Calvin's five points is "TULIP," so, if you're a six-pointer, might it then be... "TULIPS"... maybe...? <chuckles> If so, I would like to know what the 'S' is... <chuckles> II'm a five-point...
  14. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Well, how one understands it, sure. Yes, but not in the same simplistic manner as you. <smile> No, in Romans 9:6-7, when Paul says, "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring," he is actually speaking of those of...
  15. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    No one does. That's the allegation, but no one does. And even if we call amillennialists' understanding of, say, Revelation 20, an allegory (which shouldn't be done), that can't then be extrapolated onto every other think in God's Word. That's just silly. Just one. There is no need for a...
  16. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    You're welcome to you opinion, of course... I agree that it's a significant, substantial difference... <smile> ...and it has significant, substantial ramifications, for sure... Right, which is what I said when I said that "in that sense we are all "millennialists" of one kind or another."...
  17. PinSeeker

    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Hmmm, well, there are varying opinions about what "replacement theology" even is. But... I'm amillennial; I've been very clear about that... millennialism of any sort really has only to do with where God's "millennium" or "thousand years" of Revelation 20:1-6 falls in the order of things and...
  18. PinSeeker

    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    <chuckles> No, just one plan, for His Israel, yes, which includes Gentile believers. Crystal clear in the passages I quoted ~Romans 2, 9, and 11, and Ephesians 2 ~ and this one: "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days He has...
  19. PinSeeker

    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    For the most part I agree with you regarding preterism, Dan, that they are wrong about Jesus's return and the fulfillment of the prophecies, but preterists are believers in Jesus Christ. Respectfully, I don't think Satan cares about the different views regarding the end times (eschatology) but...
  20. PinSeeker

    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    I subscribe to amillennialism, Bladerunner, and what you say here regarding amillennialism is not true at all. The Jew is absolutely "a part of God's plan," as you put it... and not just a part, but collectively; Israel is the collective term, so collectively all Jews are the object of God's...