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Agreed... Hm, so the entire New Testament has nothing to do with us today? Wow. Well, I disagree, but okay... That's just you applying your own context to what I'm saying... If you think I think I'm superior to you or anyone else, no, of course not; that's just you being defensive, among...

Ah! Okay, then. Well, fair enough, I guess... <smile> Thanks for your opinion. <smile> Agreed. Grace and peace to you.

Thank you. Absolutely nothing contrary to what I said. <smile> I mean... you might think so, I get that... <smile> Grace and peace to you, Grailhunter.

"...in these last days..." soberxp. There will certainly be a "Last Day," and it will be the day in which Jesus returns, synoymous with "the day of Christ," when all will be brought to completion. And that will happen after "these last days" are concluded. No, they ~ we ~ are promised that He...

Absolutely. But they didn't get it wrong. As the writer of Hebrews said, "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us by his Son, Whom He appointed the heir of all things, through whom also He created the world"...

Again, I don't. But just regarding your particular understanding of them. No, not that... <chuckles> Grace and peace to you.

Your meaning, yes. Well, not avoiding, but dismissing. Actually, even 'dismissing' may be too strong a word. It's great that you use these ten dollar words, but the mysteries of God are not un-understandable. <smile> So you think; I get it. Heh, heh. Okay, thanks. <smile> Ah, well...

Right, but true about Scripture it is. Oh wait, Scripture does proclaim itself true. Several times, actually. <smile> Nah. I say you're making the mysteries of God into something they are not. I respect your opinion, though. Hmmmm... No, I'm assuming or even saying nothing of the sort...

Thanks. <smile> Grace and peace!

Hmmm, so this is how you understand those who are still alive at the Lord's coming being "caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air," that angels will have to swoop down and gather us up in their arms? Interesting... You know, Scott, if you don't see it in the text...

I quite often do. <chuckles> Hmmm, disagree on at least two counts: As has been said, first by Augustine, the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed, and the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed God said all He meant to say, and meant all that He said. There is no new revelation...

Ohhhh, yes, I'm well aware of the different takes on Paul's words there. <smile> Yes... Well, except for the ones who are still alive on that day, of course. Disagree... How you would back this up might be interesting. But we will go out to meet Him in His return and welcome Him in, as a...

'Imaging'... you mean 'imagining?' It surely does take a vivid imagination, I'll agree with that... <smile> Well, after the final Judgment, yes. <smile> In a certain sense they will "rapture" themselves... although it will not be any kind of seizing, snatching, or taking by force; they will...

Ah, so yes, I agree... except for the "rapture" part... depending on what you think it really is, what (and/or who) is being "seized, snatched, taken by force" (original word 'ἁρπάζω,' transliterated 'harpazó')... and if you think it ~ whatever "it" is, in your opinion ~ is being seized...

Yes, and you and I are two of them... even though we are Gentiles. Or, well, I don't know about you, actually, but I'm guessing you are; I certainly am. But yes, the number of the children of Israel ~ children of the promise ~ are like the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or...

Okay yeah disagree. <smile> I'll just say that originally... and you know this, I think... Israel was a person (Genesis 33:28). Thank you; grace and peace to you!

I would disagree with this... There is a physical Israel, for sure, the nation-state in the middle east, of course. But within the world ~ the world as a whole, physical Israel included ~ there is only one true Israel, the household of God. And these are the saved. I... think you agree, but...

Don't do it. DON'T DO IT! <smile> Ohhhh... you did it... <smile> Right. But I don't. Only in your opinion. Which you will acknowledge, I guess, but... <smile> Right. And that view is wrong. It's totally misapplied. For the reasons I have been crystal clear about. So my belief in...

Good. And in the context of the discussion that's being had here, that's a total misnomer. a total misattribution of the term. Dude. Everyone here believes in physical Israel, the nation-state on the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea, whose current Prime Minister is Benjamin Netanyahu...

Hmmm, well that depends on the perspective in which we are talking about the nation of Israel... <smile> ...whose, or Whose? <smile> I agree that they are not "two separate nations," but the whole issue here is conflating man's and God's "nation." <smile> Grace and peace to you, Randy.