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Paul said concerning tongues "...my mind is unfruitful" He had no idea what he was praying. This is what you call nonsense with no purpose. Careful friend.

Like I said I have many Baptist friends. I never attack them. Nor did I anywhere in my post you ACCUSED me of. Oh the irony.

Apparently he was pro "second work" ,via the baptism in the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues ,via the laying on of hands as demonstrated in the book of acts? Is that what I am reading in that book?

18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to...

The only reason to spiritualize something that is literal, is to protect a doctrine. They are not vaguely numbered to be vague. They are EXPLICITLY numbered in 2 separate ways to PREVENT Any confusion about their number.

Paul made the distinction that the Jew is dealt with separately. Also illustrated in the book of Ruth. 2 covenants. The first is 100% ethnic and race exclusive. Paul teaches and explains it. Paul claimed to be a Jew.

You must posted verses that show Christ alone as first fruits. Which is true. We are main harvest. As you have shown.

His body, us, are "main harvest." First is literally first. We are part of the first resurrection. We are not first fruits...Jesus and the patriarchs who were redeemed from paradise, which was below,resurrected into glorified bodies and went to heaven. Hence first fruits.

It means they are singing. They learned it because it is new to them.

That would be plausable that they proclaim Gods Glory. But I think that would be obvious. I can't think of a reason to assume the 2 witnesses are from the 144k. They are not in any way connected that I can see.

Nope They are firstfruits because they PRECEDE the MAIN HARVEST of rev 14:14. That is the ONLY reason they are firstfruits. Very simple ..."first" means something must FOLLOW. That is why "firstfruits" is called "firstfruits" It will ALWAYS mean main harvest FOLLOWS. How can this be muddied...

No It means the murderous population of that area did not bury them. Muslims do that all the time.

Any true believer does. That has nothing of substance in their vividly described difference of their pedigree and holiness.

Nowhere is the church described as coming out of and currently isolated to ethnic Jewish tribes EXCLUSIVELY. You have no verses to show that. It is appalling that anyone make the 144k into something they CAN NOT BE. You are flat out wrong.

I would add that it is not clear specifically what they do. We know they shadow and follow Jesus in holiness and purity. Maybe some one has a verse showing what they do

We can both make the point that the white horse riders will eventually include the 144k. The point is, Jesus returns in vs 14 sitting on a cloud, holding a sickle, to gather the main harvest AFTER the 144k gathering, No white horses are there in either gathering. Are you aware of "SETTING" in...

He was speaking to his bride many places. He told peter, his bride, get behind me Satan. So we can see your point can basically mean whatever you want it to be.

We both agree he returns postrib. Jesus placed the rapture of the bride pretrib. Only through omission can we change the timing. But why?

Christ is the firstfruits of the resurrection along with those in paradise. Those in paradise had never been purchased. Christ purchased them and resurrected them . Hence Firstfruits along with Christ. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^grain harvest^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The 144k are Jewish Firstfruits of the fruit...

Sounds good and awesome at the same time