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show mw where i said the rapture occurs twice. It does not and never will. When my opponent resorts to name calling you are totally out of gas. You have no biblical case when I have shown you your doctrine is impossible.

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At his ascension He went UP Paul went UP. To heaven. John was taken UP to heaven. What does "ascension" mean? Heaven is obviously up. " The earth is His footstool " The bible DIRECTLY contradicts you.

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And yet rev 14 midtrib gathering is neither the rapture or the second coming. Just tear it out of your bible to ease your conscience, or keep pretending and posting extra biblical theories as you seem to comfort yourself with

Bible is as you say easy. Ignoring the pretrib rapture verses is also easy for you guys. Sad

You do not have a single verse pointing to a postrib rapture. Pretrib rapture is Jesus words. You have no answer and never will to mat 24 and Luke 17 where Jesus depicts a gathering prejudgment. You have no answer. You have No answer to rev 14:14, but must ignore blissfully that you place the...

Especially when one does not read their bible ,as you just demonstrated ,by omitting the pretrib rapture verses. Then misquoting mat 24. That "after" you addressed is ANGELS GATHEREING,not Jesus,and that gathering is FROM HEAVEN,not earth. So yes, it is amazing how you prefer some mans teaching...

I already showed you people in heaven. Like I said, your theory makes zero sense

Also Does not say the donkey had hooves Jesus was riding on. So we can also conclude the animal had none

Jesus said at the last supper that he was going to heaven TO PREPARE A PLACE FOR US.

No offense,but you make no sense

Where is Jesus seated? Where was Jesus at Stevens stoning.? Where was Paul taken up to? Where was John taken up to? People are placed IN Heaven, in revelation. Paradise had PEOPLE in it. Jesus took paradise TO HEAVEN. STOP LYING

He is ignorant of the word. Maybe he will see the light. Maybe not.

Jesus placed heaven"up". Looked up when he prayed. Please test your theories.

John saw them and reported it. Hard to believe you never saw that. Plus paradise is depicted, according to Jesus ,with all the patriarchs under the earth, adjacent to hell. Jesus took paradise (people) to heaven after he was raised from the dead. You need a tiny bit of investigation

But mid tribbers and postribbers are not looking for His coming. And they do scoff at that concept. Good find, and so relevant to these end times dynamics

So you are placing the gathering of 1 thes 4 AFTER the mid trib gathering of rev 14:14? That is impossible. You just painted yourself into a corner. The dead in Christ rise first. NOT AFTER. Your doctrine,as I have pointed out numerous times is based on omissions. Pssst...you can not have the...

If you say he is not coming, and cant, in spite of the vivid pretrib rapture and 3 comings spoken of and shown you by Jesus, then ,it is you that is gonna get lucky if he takes a person that is not watching and waiting for his imminent return. Even the foolish virgins went out to meet him...

Nope If you are wrong, you are as you say, "outta luck". I already showed you that your setting is impossible. Jesus framed 2 comings in mat 24. Then yet another in Rev 14:14. But it is ludicrous to think, if the entire church goes through the Wrath of God, as you insist, inspite of the Bible...