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Yes he comes in the clouds 3 times according to the bible. A fact that you can not understand, even when you are shown. I suppose just cut rev 14:14 out if your bible. Psst...the second coming after the trib is millions of white horses lead by Jesus ON A WHITE HORSE, as a warrior and conquerer...

QUOTE by Writer, """just as you thought we were actually going in some chamber and hear a door close, when Jesus actually says "where I am there you shall be also", and the door represents the opportunity that occurs once and then shuts forevermore, and then the second death""" LOL Oh wow, now...

We need this mess fixed. I didn't think of that. I guess every election needs a recount

I just voted in the primaries. Texas has gone to paper ballots and they triple verified my identity and qualifications. There were about 20 propositions against illegals getting any privileges or benefits in texas as well as a border fence and funding for manned enforcement at our border. There...

2 more things 1) the only people i have ever see use the word "secret" is postribber adherents. I have never used it or need it to defend the pretrib rapture doctrine. My doctrine is a compiling of no brainer verses. Very simple. 2) if all parables are abstract useless stories then Jesus failed...

Well you are kinda right. But the parable has the groom on a specific mission. Only the bride is targeted and gathered. The world is nowhere in the picture

We don't need to change the components of any parable. Here are a few facts of the virgin parable; Virgins...check Told his coming is imminent..check All had oil....check Some took extra...check All 10 had lamps, oil, light, and were pure and undefiled...check The 5 wise were worthy the others...

Jesus depicted the TIMING with Noah and Lot. Prejudgement removal is a difficult concept for you guys. It is so so so damaging. Rev 14;14 has another gathering mid trib. So Jesus depicted 3 gatherings. Postribber doctrine depicts one, and they are unaware what they depict is a gathering FROM...

read it better. The groom fetch his bride and went into the marriage chamber and the door was shut. AHEM, That context is totally reverse of what you need it to read. If Jesus was depicting a gathering at the second coming there would be no wedding chamber, and the bride would mount riderless...

...but Jesus SAID his coming is depicted in Lot and Noah. Jesus said "before the flood" which is BEFORE judgement. There is no way around what Jesus said. You need the context modified big time. Lot is used BY JESUS...NOT ME as a description of TIMING. Your timing is different. That is amazing...

Out of context????? Look in the mirror. Jesus said before the judgement he removed Lot. There is no where for you to go with that. That alone bamboozles your position. All rapture verses are peace time normal life and free Commerce. Your position does not allow for that. In your position you...

All who refuse tbe mark. I meant to say ,"Every man woman and child takes the mark".

Yes. Endure to the end means that. But to transpose that falsely to the gret trib is saying all those that died having a blessed life in america with very little trials are basically not saved. Tribulation and such is relative. Your trials are minor compared to those in Siberia or some horrible...

All rapture verses are peacetime,normal life, and free commerce. Pretrib rapture is solid bible as Jesus vividly portrayed. There is a "midtrib rapture in rev 14 , but it is Jewish. Exclusively ethnic Jews. Plus the antichrist kills all believers refusing the mark and every man ,woman and child...

well said. I fact the first primmer for elementary students was the bible. John Jay makes it clear to John Murray in 1816 that the United States is a Christian nation. He says, “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and...

It is as if you walked up to the barn and emptied both barrels from 2 ft away an missed. At this late hour,it would really benefit you to do a tiny bit of research.

Well pretribbers and postribbers agree that Jesus returns after the trib. You just quoted a verse that has angels, not Jesus gathering the elect up in heaven, not earth, which ironically only harmonizes with a pretrib rapture. So,not sure of your point,and not sure of your position concerning...

Pretrib rapture is taught by Jesus. So you claim to have o.t. verses that cancel Jesus doctrine??? I can quite handily defend the doctrine of a pretrib rapture as Jesus vividly depicted. But you can not defend a postrib rapture with a bible. I have spent hours listening to postrib rapture...

It is a dynamic from Hebrews 3 and 4. Jesus has become our sabboth day rest. The sabboth is no longer a day for the christian. But if you eliminate hebrews 3 and 4 your position could be plausable. So yes Jesus did say that. You can read it yourself.