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Here you guys are arguing about how to receive the Holy Spirit as if through some method or understanding you can manipulate a manifestation of the Spirit. Your ignorance is palpable.....and it seems to me with all your 'greater insight' you will remain ignorant.

Engaging foolishness is hardly wise. Let the religious thrash around in foolish yada yada, it adds nothing to the wise, their silence testifies to the pointless wallowing seen as spiritual engagement .

round 435 was it?

It's ok Jack, we understand your deficit and the broken record on perpetual repeat!

Paradigm Wrangler, paradigm! When it's faulty, fault becomes the overseer of interpretation.

Ahhhhh! Wanna know what's happening in your country? Here's a view (for the courageous to see) that is hard to swallow for many.

I'm reminded of, 'what you have done to the least, you have done it to me.'

Why are Christians typically more judgmental about sin than Jesus is? 1 They have not known or understood the nature of being forgiven. 2 Forgiveness is not seen as an overarching value and it is forgotten or refuse to acknowledge that love (God) holds no record of wrongs. In its place they...

Yes, refugees can contribute to society. Various skills, manual or intellectual, sporting prowess, inventions, business acumen, cultural diversity, etc. 1) Refugee | ˌrɛfjʊˈdʒiː | nouna person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster...

what do think this is referencing, Lambano?

In my view the, 'abomination of desolation' is not defined by the Christian majority as being the abandonment of the Gospel, ie a faulty view of the character of God. Christianity at large pedals a God who requires appeasing rather than a God who would rather die than kill.

hmmmmm, definitely the case. What to do? I wonder if recognising and aiding the contribution refugees are able to make would shift things?

.......even while talking about God.

By seeing Jesus. By hearing his words. By taking note of the words of his apostles who are his witnesses. God's whole objective is to seek and save the lost. It vindicates his character and has the whole intelligent Universe acknowledging this his Glory.

We rescue the animals....even while we eat certain ones.....and yet when it comes to compassion for folk from other lands who reach out for help, they are tarred with blame and despised.

Why would you think they do that.....ie, if they do?

The objective of 'pruning' is to bring about the same heart and attitude that God has towards the oppressed and afflicted.

What does pruning look like? In the story of the sheep and the goats it appears that the attitude and behaviour toward the poor and marginalised reveal who has been 'pruned' and who hasn't.

Would you spend your savings and risk your life on grossly overload boats to reach a shore in hope of a better way of living? What I'm asking is, how bad does it have to be for a person to do this?

Does the oppression in one country give justification to another to close its borders to refugees? It appears by the consensus of many and alarmingly those claiming to be Evangelical Christians, marginalising and outing the downtrodden is a badge of National fidelity.