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  1. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    You know this, SI, but "spiritualized" is made out to be ~ in those streams of thought ~ essentially synonymous with "not real" and/or "not literal." Which is surely not the case. They... think they do. <smile> And that's fair enough, the same can be said of us all. This comment is not...
  2. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    John says in 1 John 2:18, "you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour." That's true of the sixth and seventh only. As I said, the four horsemen of 6:1-8 represent conquest, war, famine, and death. These calamities...
  3. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    Nope. LOL! I'm just saying that "close" and "near" to us is very different than "close" and "near" to the Lord. To you. Yes, I understand. Not "missed," but dismissed, because... what you see is not there. LOL! You had many chances... The record is clear. Wait... I missed the qualifier...
  4. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    As I have said many times ~ all the times that I have said it... see what I did there? ~ there is no "rapture," but yes, Jesus will return, not at "the end of wrath," but at the end of the period of tribulation... after that period has come to a close. But still ignore or deny it... <smile>...
  5. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    The "rapture" is but one, and the idea of a rapture spawns a multitude of others in the effort to support it. He was not. And so is Jesus. The term 'many' can mean a portion or a fraction of all, but it can actually also mean all, depending on the context in which it appears. Daniel's...
  6. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    I'm reading the same Bible you are. The difference between you and me is that I don't add things to it. There is no "rapture"... that's one of the additions I'm speaking of. Charles Darby did a lot of damage... There were some good things that came out of the Enlightenment, but the things he...
  7. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    LOL. Yeah, fair enough; me, too. <smile> Wait... I thought you were going with God... <smile> <eye roll> Only what dispensationalists have mistakenly read into scripture. No, I didn't "forget" anything... <smile> As Jesus says, "an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear...
  8. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    Well, I'm glad know that you don't see the folks spoken of in Revelation 7:1-8 as the first fold and those spoken of in Revelation 7:9-17 as a second fold, but... <smile> All of Revelation 7 speaks of one group of folks, but the two "halves" speak of two different aspects of that one group...
  9. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    <smile> Okay... Yes, as the stars of heaven, as the grains of sand on the seashore, sure. Do you think that the first half of Revelation 7 (vv.1-8) is "one fold" and the second half (vv.9-17) is a second? I disagree with that, and the notion that there are two folds. Jesus says, "I have...
  10. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    I understand. And that's kind of what I was getting at, although... it's not about me, of course. Right... And why do you believe this, The Light? What scriptural support would you use for this statement? I think I know the answer to that, but I would submit to you that you are not...
  11. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    In keeping with this from my Post #581 above, regarding the seals and particularly the seventh seal in Revelation 7, I would submit the following: What happens with the opening of the seventh seal? We expect the seventh in this series to be climactic. Seven symbolizes completeness; so with the...
  12. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    Okay, finishing up; sorry... We are in the period of tribulation now. And there will be a time of great tribulation at the end of the age. Well, right, but see above. Again, this is your opinion only. I believe the lack of understanding to be yours, but really, it's okay. It's okay...
  13. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    In the same sense that you and I both have been saved ~ we have been born again of the Spirit ~ and are being saved ~ being kept in faith in the power of the Spirit and will not be lost but raised up on the last day (John 6:39), so is the harvest happening now ~ people are coming to Christ, one...
  14. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    And I say that's the case with yours. It's called "disagreement." In Romans 11:25-26 ~ as you know, I'm sure ~ Paul says (and I quote), "a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in." So: A. Yes, because of that word 'until,' that could be...
  15. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    In your opinion, I get it. And I'm perfectly fine with you saying that a 1:1 ratio is not what's in view in Jesus's comments is my opinion, but it is what it is. Yet again, as Jesus says, "Many are called, but few are chosen." So, I'm kind of throwing your question right back at you in a way...
  16. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    "Taken" in the sense of being... taken from here... departing, and not entering into the New Heaven and New Earth with God's elect, the folks on Jesus's right in the final Judgment. As I said, no. You keep misstating what I have been saying, making it out to be opposite what it has always been...
  17. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    Quibbling over this is unnecessary, but reading what Jesus says in Matthew 24 woodenly as a 1:1 ratio is very incorrect. Jesus was certainly stating the difference between one and another, but no actual proportions are in view. You will remember, I'm sure, something that has come up repeatedly...
  18. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    Yes. We disagree. It's okay. <smile> I didn't say or insinuate that. See, this is what's so strange, is that you (and others), in addition to understanding a lot of Scriptural things incorrectly, even understand what "Amills" are saying incorrectly. The only question is, do you do that on...
  19. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    That's true of all Jesus's sheep. No one is denying anything, The Light. Just because someone proclaims something a fact does not make it so. So, yes, I'm very much disagreeing with your understanding of certain scriptural things, for sure. No apologies necessary. In your opinion. And you...
  20. PinSeeker

    The Coming Rapture

    That's what I'm saying to you. In addition to what I said about God's Israel. All of those who are Christ's... who have been born again of the Holy Spirit... saved by grace through faith... for all time up to now (see Hebrews 11; "by faith...") ...are His sheep and hear His voice. Sure. But...