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Hmmm, well, you can, but I wouldn't... <smile> Hebrews 11 says otherwise, that all Christians are saved the same way, regardless of when it actually occured for any of them/us... We are all lost from the beginning, GB. But for some, they are found. You've sung Amazing Grace before, no? "I...

Seems to me you're over-analyzing things a bit, GB. :) Yes, they think they have all they need... Remember, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he (or she) cannot enter the Kingdom of God (John 3:5). So really, they don't even know it exists. They are of this world. And their...

Fair enough. But it does seem to be what you are saying. Which is literally what I just said. LOL! Well, two things directly opposing each other cannot both be true at the same time, yes. But this is... literally... not what I just said. So, in the Kingdom... the word 'in' there can be...

The funny thing to me is, GB, that you and SI seem to be agreeing but are just totally missing each other, like two ships passing in the night... So to what you say here about Matthew 13:38, which SI cited previously, you're right; the two key words there are 'in' and 'of.' So yes, the "tares"...

Disagree. Here is what Paul says, quoting from Isaiah 45 and Ezekiel 18 in doing so: "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God.... There is no fear of God before their eyes... all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God..." (Romans 3:10-18, 23) This is...

LOL! Right back atcha, NTR. <smile> Grace and peace to you.

There is no torture." There is torment, though, for all eternity, in this place of "outer darkness" (Matthew 8:12), "weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:50, so this torment is in and of themselves, a consuming, internal sadness and anguish that will not be relieved, so in that way "their...

After Adam, who acquired that condition in the events of Genesis 3, all are born that way. As Paul says, "just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned..." (Romans 5:12). He's speaking of Adam, of course, who was the...

Hmmm... "not possible to misunderstand The Cross of Christ and God's Grace and not be a Legalistic Heretic..." That's... quite a mouthful... <smile>. I disagree. All that's needed to be "actually a Christian" is faith as a mustard seed. No one in this life is perfect in knowledge; true...

Hm. Not even sure what would compel you to make such a comment. I would just say that it is certainly possible to misunderstand these things with and not be a "legalistic heretic," Grace and peace to you, Behold.

LOL! Well, okay... <smile> I hope no one is arguing what you're saying, David. I'm not anyway... Yes, if anyone does not continue in His kindness ~ which is the same as what Jesus speaks of in John 6, 8, and 15 regarding abiding in Him ~ then yes, certainly, he or she will be cut off...

I don't believe there is anything in Scripture that enables us to say Judas was not saved. Yes, Jesus said, "one of you is a devil" in John 6:70, and He meant Judas. But in the sense in which He said that, we can all be "devils" in that we are still capable of sin and can still certainly do...

Right, and Who enables us to persevere to the end, David? By Whose power are we kept to the end? Those who are born of God and thus in Christ will not fall away. The answer to the above questions ensures that. We have been "born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ...

Sure. For those who are in Christ, he/she will overcome. But what is said there in Revelation 3:5 is still true. As the apostle John says, "For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world ~ our faith. Who is it that overcomes the...

Hmmmmm.... very interesting. In a sense, I agree. That sense is this, that we are both saved and are being saved at the same time. This is the simultaneous "now and not yet" of the Gospel. Is this what you're saying? We have not yet obtained the outcome ~ which is the salvation of our souls...

David says, "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me" (Psalm 51:5). This is true of us all. And Jesus says to a group of Jews in John 8, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he...

<chuckles> Grace and peace to you, RockerDuck.

I don't think anyone here is asserting that, David. It is absolutely not teaching that, because falling away... which would be to altogether lose faith, which is given to us in salvation... it is the assurance of God and conviction by the Spirit (Hebrews 11:1)... is impossible, because the...

Ouch... <chuckles> Grace and peace to you, Triumph.

Right... Hmmm... I both agree and disagree with this, in certain senses... I mean, as Job finally says to God in Job 42:2, "I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted." God is always in control of what happens anywhere and to everyone, both making things...