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Fair enough. And GodsGrace probably does, too... if she'd only understand it for what it is, but she's been very strident in repudiating it. That may be; the clearest differences between Provisionist doctrine and classical Reformed theology are seen in the concepts of total depravity and...

It's not the quoting him that's the problem, GodsGrace, it's your wrongheaded "gleanings" ~ understandings ~ of what he said. So, yes. Your understandings of what he wrote are the problem. No matter how many times you directly quote him, you continue missing the point(s) entirely, making them...

This is excellent, Hey You. Yes, this is what I've been saying, that both are man's free will and God's sovereignty are absolutely true, and they have to be held together but at a tension, so to speak... and there has to be a resolution of the two to each other. Now, I would disagree with...

Ah the end... LOL! From above... And, "thank you" ~ in quotes ~ for falsely putting words in my mouth (and Calvin's, and all historical Calvinists). You shouldn't do so, but, like I said, you're certainly your own person. Oh, so none of the Gospels, or Romans 9, or Ephesians 1 or 2, or 1...

From above... Ah, well, through faith, but it is the work of God, by His Spirit, in us; "this is not (our) own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works," Paul says and you yourself quoted and emphasized. You're exactly right in saying faith is not a work, but you ~ and all Arminians...

From above... And I will repeat: One freely chooses the Lord's salvation in the Person of Christ ~ which is of the Lord, not of man ~ because He has been born again of the Spirit, and that is not because of ~ does not depend on, in Paul's words in Romans 9:16 ~ the will or running of man, but...

As do I. As do you. Hmmm... well in this very post of yours, you cut out comments of mine from my previous post. You said (and I quote ~ although you left it within my quote) "edited: unnecessary comments from you, as usual and to save space." I wouldn't call your comments "unnecessary," but...

From above... Galatians 5. Yes. Absolutely. Not a command, an exhortation. Again, no need to argue (although you will, of course), but it's because of, GodsGrace ~ as a result of ~ not "how." The only way it can be construed as a "how" is if we state that in the same sense as what he says...

That's one of the things we've been discussing, yes, but I think we all agree that it is by the Holy Spirit. If you disagree, then that puts you far outside... mainstream Christianity, at least on that one thing. No, just on its face, this statement is not correct. And yet, as Jesus said to...

All I'm saying is ~ and I think this is pretty clear ~ I don't completely understand what you're trying to say. And I think it's a pretty good thing... graceful, really... that I'm not putting words into your mouth... which... happens a lot around here... <smile> Yes. Sure. Grace and peace...

Became a universalist...? Interesting. Why? Well not if he was a universalist... But yeah... interesting. Synopsis? Grace and peace to you.

Right, I understand that... I think... I mean, neither actually try to do the things you're attributing to... well, at least some of them, which I guess you would acknowledge. I guess the more common thing to hear is a 60% or 80% Calvinist (three-point or four-point). Total Depravity and/or...

@GodsGrace From above... "I supplied a few verses." You did, yes. <smile> "You've supplied none." Ohhhhh, yes I have. Over and over and over again. And here, too... "Salvation is not accepted because one is born again of the spirit." It is. No man will accept something he does not see...

@GodsGrace Look at that, I'm tagging you. I hope that makes you happy... LOL! Even if I hadn't, none of this can be classified as "gossip"... <smile> "No "sense" Just not the sense that you like... <smile> But yet it is what it is. "I posted many verses commanding man to SEEK GOD."...

Very interesting. So explain where you are, Hey You, if you are so inclined. I'd like to continue this conversation... with you, at least... <smile> I've heard of three and four, in addition to five, but 4-point-something... This is rather tongue-in-cheek, so not meant in any kind of...

Thank you both. But, I'm sure the hard-headedness will continue. Ohhhhhh, look. I was right.... LOL! Grace and peace to you both. And all.

Yes. I said before (more than once) that it is entirely possible to know all about the Lord without really knowing Him. Which ~ I getcha ~ you know. <smile> Grace and peace to you.

As I have said, Calvinism and Arminianism ~ with respect to Arminius's five objections and Calvin's responses to those five objections ~ are mutually exclusive, much in the same way as with Augustine and Pelagius over a thousand years before. Regarding these particular things, they are the two...

Okay... here... to your lead-in statements: In the sense that he will not, but will naturally be inclined against the things of God, and therefore will follow his natural inclination and will thus will freely reject the things of God... because he is not of God, but of the devil; naturally ~...

Perish the thought. Unless you're talking about being a member of the one holy, catholic, apostolic Church of Jesus Christ, which I confess to every single Sunday, corporately with the rest of the congregation of the... very mainline... church I attend... <smile> Augustine was not a Catholic...