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    The Rapture is True and Pre Trib

    Thank you Veteran! Thank you for taking your time to thoroughly and dilligently as well as patiently examine each and every scripture reference 7 angels has falsely tried to use. You have exposed it for what it is - a doctine of demons! You are much appreciated brother. Thanks, JLB
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    The Rapture is True and Pre Trib

    I believe in the Rapture, however first comes the resurrection - For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the...
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    The Rapture is True and Pre Trib

    Show in scripture why you believe 1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the...
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    The Rapture is True and Pre Trib

    Brother, are you seriously going to convince people that 1 thess 4 and 1 thess 5 and seperate events. How in the world to justify that kind of thinking. Paul is clearly saying, BUT of the timing of this event, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly...
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    The Rapture is True and Pre Trib

    1 Thessalonians 4 & 5 are one thought. The word "but" links what Paul said with what he is about to say. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:4 13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that...
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    First the Rapture and then the Great Tribulations

    7 Angels wrote - One of the significant things any interpreter of the book of Revelation will notice is the abrupt shift in focus which takes place between chapters three and four. Chapters two and three, which describe “the things which are” (Rev. Rev. 1:19+), are focused entirely on the...
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    First the Rapture and then the Great Tribulations

    We are actually reffering to the biblical Great Tribulation - 15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who...
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    The Rapture is True and Pre Trib

    [email protected] wrote - The last time anyone looked it up, Jesus was a Jew born into a Jewish family in a Jewish nation... The last time I looked, The Lord Jesus made a covenant with Abraham the Gentile of which we are grafted in Christ! If you get right down to it, Judaism came from the...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Bob wrote - The veil was torn and at the moment of Yeshua's death and it dramatically symbolized that His sacrifice ... Bob, The word's of this prophecy we are discussing are real. The events that this prophecy predicts are real. You and I know what The Lord's sacrifice for our sins...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Saint wrote, However the point is moot because the temple was made desolate with the crucifixion of Yeshua…"In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease" refers specifically to the fact that the Yeshua would put a stop to all sacrifice when He voluntarily gave...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Saint wrote - Yes Yeshua was crucified during the 70th week; actually at the middle of the 70th week. He was ordained at the end of the 69th week and His ministry began with the starting of the 70th week; His ministry lasted 3 1/2 years, that is why we have only 3 1/2 years remaining, the last...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Saint wrote - Yes Yeshua was crucified during the 70th week; actually at the middle of the 70th week. He was ordained at the end of the 69th week and His ministry began with the starting of the 70th week; His ministry lasted 3 1/2 years, that is why we have only 3 1/2 years remaining, the last...
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Saint, In your understanding, was Jesus crucified during the 70th week? Thanks, JLB
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    I'm sure my understanding of this version is obscure. Did I at least get the part right about Him destroying the people? Thanks, JLB Saint, In your understanding, was Jesus crucified during the 70th week? Thanks, JLB
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    The Rapture is going to take us Home

    Bob, I am glad that you found a translation that fits your theology brother. It all makes sense now, after reading this translation. v. 26 After Jesus was crucified,[ the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people;] He destroyed the people. Then, He strengthened a covenant for 7 years...
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    When Did Jesus Say He Would Return?

    When Did Jesus Say He Would Return? At Night ! 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in...
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    Who is Israel?

    HOW ARE GOD THE FATHER AND YESHUA ONE. We try to reason about spiritual matters from a natural perspective. The Spirit is likened to water. For out of you belly shall flow rivers of living water, this He spake of The Spirit. So from that I would like to illustrate: Imagine two glass's...
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    Who is Israel?

    'Thus says the Lord God.' He who hears, let him hear; and he who refuses, let him refuse; for they are a rebellious house. Ezekial 3:27
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    Who is Israel?

    The Word is the expression of The Will of The Father. The Word is Manifested by the power of The Spirit. It was the will of The Father to bring forth Light in the beginning. The Word spoke the light into the darkness and light was manifested by the power of The Spirit. This is how the...