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  1. keithr

    Tasted Death for every Man !

    Not everyone is justified - yet! John 12:46-48 (WEB): (46) I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in the darkness. (47) If anyone listens to my sayings, and doesn’t believe, I don’t judge him. For I came not to judge the world, but to save the...
  2. keithr

    Tasted Death for every Man !

    Well indeed. Not everyone is called to be a Christian during this present age, and nobody who lived before Jesus' ministry was called to be a Christian. Hebrews 11:39-40 (39) These all, having had testimony given to them through their faith, didn’t receive the promise, (40) God having...
  3. keithr

    Tasted Death for every Man !

    You seem to be arguing about something different! The thread is supposed to be discussing whether or not Jesus died for all mankind or just a smaller number of people. I never at any point mentioned anything about believing, and I certainly didn't deny that in order to have eternal life one...
  4. keithr

    Tasted Death for every Man !

    I just listed some verses for others to consider and draw their own conclusions. Here are some other verses to consider, Titus 2:11-14 (WEB): (11) For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, (12) instructing us to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts...
  5. keithr

    Tasted Death for every Man !

    Yes, the "many sons unto glory" is referring to Christians (not the whole wold) who will become glorious sons of God, and brothers of Jesus: (11) For both he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one, for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brothers, but nevertheless...
  6. keithr

    Tasted Death for every Man !

    Other verses to consider (from WEB): John 1:29 (29) The next day, he saw Jesus coming to him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! John 3:16-17 (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not...
  7. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    Jesus is not God! Why would Paul even mention that Jesus could even consider equality with God if Jesus was God? It only makes sense to mention it if Jesus was not God.
  8. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    Translation - I can't argue with that, so I give up! :wink:
  9. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    All that you wrote about those verses was the question, "So the blind Pharisees were stupid in accusing Jesus of His claim to be GOD?". I didn't "twist" your question at all, although I will now point out that it actually says Jews and not Pharisees - it was ordinary Jewish people, not the...
  10. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    Or as more modern translations translate it, e.g. WEB: (6) who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, Again you're believing the scribes rather than Jesus. Why did you leave out Jesus' reply, Mark 2:8-11 (WEB): (8) Immediately Jesus...
  11. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    That's a silly question! I wrote "Here are a few examples" that Jesus is the Son of God, and then quoted some verses that supported that. Why on earth would I try to quote some verses that were contradictory to the 6 or so verses that I quoted, or quote verses that shed light on whether or not...
  12. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    1 John 4:2 (WEB): (2) By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, Jesus did come in the flesh, but Jesus is not almighty God YHVH, our heavenly Father. As the Scriptures clearly and repeatedly state, Jesus is the Son of...
  13. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    I didn't claim I had done an exhaustive search for all verses that implied Jesus' pre-existence. I just quoted a few verses. A more obvious verse is Colossians 1:16 (WEB): (16) For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether...
  14. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    How about the following? Philippians 2:5-11 (WEB): (5) Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, (6) who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, (7) but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of...
  15. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    The Bible used by Jesus and the Apostles was mostly the Septuagint (a Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament.). From What Bible Did Jesus Use?: Jesus and the Apostles: studied, memorized, used, quoted, and read most often from the Bible of their day, the Septuagint. Since Matthew wrote...
  16. keithr

    Jesus' God

    Thank you for pointing that out, but you might have made a slight mistake (or have a poor translation?). It doesn't say "of the Great Council", it says "of great counsel" - quite different. He's not a messenger of a group of peope named the Great Council, he is a messenger who is able to give...
  17. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    How does demons believing that "God is one" or "there is one God" imply that they believe in a Triune God? Have you been so brainwashed that you that you can't see how absurd such statements are?! You're trying to force the Scripture to fit your belief rather, than force your belief to fit the...
  18. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Note that most modern translations (including literal translations such as the YLT) translate James 2:19 as saying "You believe that God is one", not as "You believe that there is one God". Note also Galatians 3:16-20 (WEB): (16) Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his offspring. He...
  19. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Or maybe it is you who has fallen for the lies of the deciever (Satan), and so you can't see the truth? 1 John 2:22 (22) Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. By denying that Jesus is an individual living...
  20. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I don't know why you keep repeating that - it does not in any way imply, let alone prove, that God is more than one living being. It is just God (one being) talking to at least one other being. You cannot deduce that there were three beings involved in the discussion. The names of three men...