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  1. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Only the Father is referred to as God in verse 2. In the next verse it says: (3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Ephesians 1:3 (3)...
  2. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yes. All Christians have the same heavenly calling - Hebrews 3:1 (WEB): (1) Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Jesus; 1 John 3:2 (WEB): (2) Beloved, now we are children of God, and it is not yet revealed what we...
  3. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Here's another verse that is contrary to the Trinity doctrine: Hebrews 9:24 (WEB): (24) For Christ hasn’t entered into holy places made with hands, which are representations of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; Hebrews 9:24 (ASV): (24) For Christ...
  4. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    See this post for an alternative interpretation of John 1:1-5. Here's a snippet from it: As Jesus said in John 14:10, “the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works”. John says “the word was with [pros] God” because the word...
  5. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    REB: In the beginning the Word already was. The Word was in God's presence, and what God was, the Word was.
  6. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Of course. Colossians 1:16 says: (16) For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him. God created all things - Hebrews...
  7. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yes, God gives us His son Jesus, who God anointed to be our redeemer and saviour, and Jesus will be the king/governer over God's Kingdom, on earth and in heaven. Jesus is indeed a mighty god, for God has given Jesus all power and authority to rule over His Kingdom - Matthew 28:18 (WEB): (18)...
  8. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    What is? The Trinity doctrine? It's a very poor explanation of a possibility that God's Word does not teach! Not disregarding the Scriptures, you should believe as Jesus taught, that our heavenly Father is the only true God: John 17:3 (WEB): (3) This is eternal life, that they should know...
  9. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Here's an extract from 'The Doctrine of the TRINITY... Mystery or Confusion?'. Whence, Then, The Trinity? Where did this doctrine come from? When did it come? For what Reason? How did it take hold? Probably it developed as an overzealous response to the vital gnostic heresies which began to...
  10. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    God and Jesus are not one in the sense of being one God, one person, one in substance, etc.. Jesus meant that they were in one accord, with the same aims and desires, working for the same thing; they were united in purpose. It does not prove that "one plus one equals one", nor that that 'one...
  11. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I say God, the Father. The NT Peshitta translates it as: 17. Therefore do not be stupid, but understanding what the will of God is. 18. Neither be drunk with wine in which is debauchery, but be filled with The Spirit. 19. But speak to yourselves in Psalms and hymns and songs of The Spirit; be...
  12. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Right , like in this verse - Song of Solomon 6:9 (KJV): (9) My dove, my undefiled is but one [echad]; she is the only one [echad] of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her. The...
  13. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I have not confessed unbelief in the words of God. Saying that "the members of the Church are not Jesus" is not in conflict with verse 30. You have not understood it if you believe that you are literally part of Jesus. Paul wrote in verse 32, "This mystery is great, but I speak concerning...
  14. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No it doesn't. To prove that it would have to say that "the head of Christ is the Father". If Christ Jesus is part of God then God cannot be the head of Jesus. Nobody can be the head of themselves. Ephesians 5:23 (WEB): (23) For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the...
  15. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    1 Corinthians 11:3 (WEB): (3) But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man is not Christ; the woman is not the man; Christ is not God.
  16. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    How do you deduce that from what I wrote? Not that it's relevant to the topic of this thread.
  17. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No. That's absurd, and it only makes sense to you because you believe that God is three seperate beings. Deuteronomy 6:4 WEB: (4) Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God. Yahweh is one. MKJV: (4) Hear, O, Israel. Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. LSV: (4) Hear, O Israel: Our God YHWH—YHWH [is] one...
  18. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I was mainly pointing out that Jesus said that his Father was the only true God. However, if you read what I said you'll find that I didn't miss out "half the equation". I wrote: "To gain eternal life we have to know God, and to know who God sent to save us - His only begotten Son."
  19. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I had written "If God exalted Jesus then Jesus could not have been God". The Greek word that's translated as 'exalted' is huperupsoo which means "to elevate above others, that is, raise to the highest position" (Strong's). You cannot elevate yourself above others, it requires somebody above...
  20. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Where does it say that? I can't find it. All I can find is Philippians 2:7 (KJV): (7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: More modern translations translate "made himself of no reputation" as "emptied himself"...