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  1. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No, it means that Jesus, God's only begotten son, who was a god (a mighty being), did not ever consider trying to become equal to God. Unlike Satan, who wanted to be like God.
  2. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Jesus wasn't equal with God, and is now still not equal with God, nor will he ever be. 1 Corinthians 15:28 (WEB): (28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
  3. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    That's a nonsensical sentence. Are you a fan of Star Wars? Yes, Jesus existed before Abraham was born. Well if that's the only two possibilities that you can think of, then they must be the only two. Or perhaps you're not as clever as you thought and there may be other possibilities! Jesus...
  4. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Right, as Jesus said in the verse you just quoted, speaking to his Father, John 17:3 (WEB): (3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. Jesus' God and Father is the only true God. That's the very words of Jesus. To gain...
  5. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Being in the form of God doesn't mean that he was God (any more than being in "the form of a bondservant" means he was a particular bondservant); it means that he was similar to God in nature (though not exactly as only God had immortality at that point). A better translation (you didn't...
  6. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    The phrase "God the son" does not appear anywhere in the Bible. 1 John 4:9 (UASV+): (9) In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, so that we might live through him. If God sent His only Son begotten into the world, how can His only...
  7. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I presume you mean "hard" rather than "Heard". God does love people! John 3:16 (WEB): (16) For God so loved the world [all mankind], that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. God was willing to let His most beloved Son die for...
  8. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    That is not proof! o_O
  9. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Numbers 23:19 (WEB): (19) God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good? Malachi 3:6 (WEB): (6) “For I, Yahweh, don’t change; therefore you, sons of Jacob, are not consumed. All...
  10. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Interestingly God's name, YHVH, appears about 6940 times in the Old Testament, which is more often than the word God, which only appears 2694 times (in the WEB).
  11. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    That was a completely different occasion. At the burning bush all that Moses could see was fire in the middle of a bush - Exodus 3:2-3 (UASV+): (2) The angel of Jehovah appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet...
  12. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    God is immortal, so He cannot die. His only begotten Son was not immortal - Jesus could die. Jesus humbly prayed to God that after his death that God would restore him to the glory that he had before the creation of the world - John 17:5 (WEB): (5) Now, Father, glorify me with your own self...
  13. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yes. It was God's will, God's design and plan, and God chose that His beloved Son should implement His plan, just a a human father would delight in teaching his young son how to create something. Colossians 1:12-20 (Updated American Standard Version - UASV+): (12) giving thanks to the...
  14. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    The Scriptures say, Exodus 3:2 (WEB): (2) Yahweh’s angel appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the middle of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. Psalms 104:4 (WEB): (4) He (Yahweh) makes his messengers winds; his servants flames of...
  15. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Why do you ask that immediately after the verse that I quoted; weren't you paying attention?! Here it is again - 1 Corinthians 8:6 (ESV): (6) yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and...
  16. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    God, our Father in heaven, directed both activities. God sent an angel, or Jesus, to perform the plagues and maintain the pillar of cloud and pillar of fire to lead the Israelites. God sent His only begotten son, Jesus, to be the saviour and redeemer of mankind. The result of the second work...
  17. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I can't keep up with this discussion - the number of posts seems to be increasing exponentially! I'll contribute this extract from 'The Great Debate Regarding The Father, Son & Holy Spirit', appendix D, concerning John 1:1. The only passage which even comes close to teaching the Trinity is 1...
  18. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yeshua also said he had a God four times in one verse - in Revelation 3:12 (WEB): (12) He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which...
  19. keithr

    Define salvation. ( what is "the Gospel")

    It's not my version! It's the Literal Standard Version. Likewise Young's Literal Translation says: (17) And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is , there is liberty; Other translations that also say "the Spirit" are, for example, the American Standard Version, Darby...
  20. keithr

    Define salvation. ( what is "the Gospel")

    Sorry, but we're not allowed to discuss the doctrine of the Trinity. I obviously believe the Trinity doctrine to be a false doctrine. I was just pointing out the error of changing the Scriptures by substituting the name Jesus when it is not there in the original Scriptures. The original name...