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  1. PinSeeker

    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Some of them may be, and if so, that makes them "bad Amils," as I said. <chuckles> I have said over and over and over again that Revelation 20:1-6 is not completely fulfilled yet, but will be. As of now, it is still being brought to completion. Well, yes, the thousand-year millennial reign...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Nah, he (or she?) misunderstands what it is. That's not heresy, it's just misunderstanding. And that's okay. <smile> Really, though... It doesn't make him "not a Christian," and it doesn't make him "less Christian" or "less saved" than any other Christian. Really, it's okay. Grace and...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    If any "Amils" are claiming that, then they are... bad "Amils." :) The first resurrection is individual, and cumulative and is still ongoing at this time. When the fullness of the Gentiles has been brought in and the partial hardening that is now on Israel is removed... and thus all of Israel...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    You're welcome. I love that GIF. :) In your opinion. I know. :) Grace and peace to you. Agreed. So you agree in spiritual rebirth, but not spiritual resurrection. Very curious. Hmmm... Well it's a raising of some kind, so if not of the human spirit, is it a physical raising? Surely...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Well, that's a problem. :) Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11-15 are descriptions of the same event. Hmmm... well, in a sense, as human beings, we should all serve Him and worship Him. So in that sense, yes, agreed. But some/many ~ and I think you'll agree with this ~ do not... will...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Well, right... all of us will be bodily resurrected, yes, in an instant at the last day. Well... except for those who are still alive at the time of His return, of course. Yes. No, they do not. As I have said, this vision was given to John a long time ago, but even in his time, he knew he...
  7. PinSeeker

    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    We (Christians) are spiritually resurrected in this life, David ~ made alive with Christ and raised up with Him and seated with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Our physical...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    With all due respect: In a sense, this is correct; we all from birth are dead in sin (Romans 5; Ephesians 2), having a heart of stone rather than flesh (Ezekiel 19, 36), and in need of new birth by the Spirit and thus being in Christ. Our spirits must be resurrected; otherwise, we are...
  9. PinSeeker

    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Yes, I do... except... there is no "rapture." Jesus's return will certainly be a rapturous event, but not a "rapture" in the sense of what many think it to be; no one will be... "removed"... <smile>. Ahhh, well let me ask you this, David: When this final Judgment scene opens in Revelation...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Right. The first resurrection is a direct and immediate result of having been born again of the Spirit. Agreed. So maybe we should look in depth at the reasons "Premils" tend to (mistakenly) believe the first resurrection is bodily. Grace and peace to you.
  11. PinSeeker

    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Nope. Everyone is in view in the second resurrection in Revelation 20:11-15. Everyone, meaning both the saved and the unsaved. And this resurrection is the one Jesus speaks of in John 5:28-29... "an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have...
  12. PinSeeker

    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    In Revelation 1, Stewardofthemystery, John is told by Jesus to "(w)rite... the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this." So, John, in his vision, is being shown everything as if it's already happened, but as of now, it has not. Has not completely...
  13. PinSeeker

    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead. He absolutely did, and he will be resurrected again, with all of us at the end of the age. No, He wasn't, WPM. Neither literally nor in terms of the "first resurrection" of Revelation 20. In terms of Revelation 20, Jesus was never and will never be in need...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    But the first resurrection happens for each of us individually, Stewardofthemystery, when we are born again of the Spirit and thus raised in Christ. The two concepts (being born again and spiritually resurrected from death in sin) are inseparable. Our "first resurrection" is spiritual, and the...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Hmm, well, the first resurrection is not only past, it is ongoing. Having previously been previously dead in their trespasses (sin) and thus, by nature, children of wrath, like the rest of mankind, people are still at this point being born again of the Spirit and made alive together with Christ...
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    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Hmmm... well salvation has always happened the same way... The righteousness of Christ is imputed to us, God declares us clean; this is our justification by God ~ and we are no longer in the first Adam (Adam) but in the second Adam (Christ Jesus). We are still sinners, and still sin, and in...
  17. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Well... we didn't choose Him before He chose us. :) Right? Surely, Jesus said to His disciples in John 15:16, "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you...", and that's true of all of us, too. He's saying the initial choosing was His, not ours. The issue is not the will, or...
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    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Taken said: "God Offers…and Yes manKIND has option, FREEWILL CHOICE….to TAKE Gods Offering…or REJECT Gods Offering." Yes, that's true; the general offer of salvation is given to all. But God only calls some, those He chose before the foundation of the world and predestined for adoption to...
  19. PinSeeker

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    God's elect, Yes. Nowhere in God's Word will any suggestion whatsoever be found that God is our elect. Certainly, we do make a choice. But our being one of God's elect does not depend on our choosing (willing) or working (running), but rather on God's having mercy and compassion. Paul is...
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    No Denomination named... Evidence Presented... You Decide

    Unfortunately, I don't do that all the time... but I have my moments, I guess. <smile> Grace and peace to you!