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  1. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    I had written: "If you can't sufficiently prove from Scripture what you believe, and why you think I'm wrong, then it's pointless you participating in this discussion. Just saying something but not giving any Scriptural support for your claims is valueless." and you reply with that nonsense...
  2. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    I didn't say "nonexistence". The important point is that death is an unconscious state, like a deep sleep, so that we have no thoughts or feelings. I explained that in my previous posts. Jesus likened death to a sleep, and dead people are referred to as sleeping throughout the Bible, e.g...
  3. keithr

    My take on original sin

    Hebrews 7 does not say that. Please explain how you come to that conclusion. From the WEB: (15) This is yet more abundantly evident, if after the likeness of Melchizedek there arises another priest, (28) For the law appoints men as high priests who have weakness, but the word of the oath...
  4. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    It is easy to be confused about soul and spirit, as a result of translation difficulties from Hebrew and Greek. I think of it as: spirit - we have a spirit part, which is what survives death in an unconscious (non-functioning) state, and which God can restore to conscious life when He...
  5. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    I did not say the soul is the body. Is that all you can say rather than coming up with any Bible verses that support your idea of a "spiritual death"? As I previously wrote, you're not sticking exactly to what the Bible teaches, despite claiming that you do so. Jesus said, Matthew 10:28...
  6. keithr

    Are we told to worship Jesus or are we told to worship God?

    Philippians 3:3 (WEB): (3) For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh; Revelation 19:10 (WEB): (10) Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant...
  7. keithr

    My take on original sin

    Hebrews 7:3 (WEB): (3) without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God), remains a priest continually. The Levitical priesthood was hereditary, so it was important to the Jews to be able to prove they were...
  8. keithr

    My take on original sin

    The way it is written is a bit ambiguous (it's a long sentence that mentions God and Jesus). So in such a case it is helpful to search the Scriptures for further clues, such as John 1:18 and 6:46 (WEB): (1:18) No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son, who is in the bosom of the...
  9. keithr

    My take on original sin

    Humans are not immortal. Only God was immortal, 1 Timothy 6:16 (WEB): (16) who {God} alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen. The Greek word that is translated as immortal is athanasia which means...
  10. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    You're imagining things! I can't see any Bible quotes from you that mention "spiritual death". There is not a single verse in the Bible that mentions "spiritual death". The words 'spirit' or 'spiritual', and 'death' do not appear in the same verse anywhere in the Bible, no matter which...
  11. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    As I wrote, the KJV says in its footnote for Genesis 2:17 that in the Hebrew it states "dying thou shalt die", just as the YLT translates it as "dying thou dost die". This is not hijinks, it is study of God's word. It is not a lying translation. I have not changed anything. I'm just...
  12. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    Wrong, as you have already shown - "The soul that sins, it shall die.", Ezekiel 18:20 (MKJV). Yes. No, Jesus did not come in a supernatural body, he came in a human body - Hebrews 2:14 (WEB): (14) Since then the children have shared in flesh and blood, he also himself in the same way...
  13. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    Obviously. Jesus did not have a human father. Nobody else has been born by a virgin mother. He had a human mother, so his body was created from human DNA, from one of Mary's eggs. God only supplied the Y chromosone so that he was born male, not female (see Unique blood of Jesus). I don't...
  14. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    Barnes Bible Notes says: Master, who did sin? ... - It was a universal opinion among the Jews that calamities of all kinds were the effects of sin. See the notes at Luk_13:1-4. The case, however, of this man was that of one that was blind from his birth, and it was a question which the...
  15. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    If you state that you're quoting from a specific translation (KJV) and then you change the text rather than quoting it exactly, then you should make that clear, so that people don't think that you're deliberately trying to deceive them. While "instead of Christ" is a possible interpretation of...
  16. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    Rubbish. I never said that. You keep accusing me of saying things that I have not said. Even after I have clearly pointed out that I had not said them, you still repeat your claim that I have. Your idiotic response in post #577, where you misinterpret the Cambridge Bible Notes' expression...
  17. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    If everyone is going to die naturally, and could not live forever if they did not sin, then how can death be a punishment for sin? Romans 6:23 (WEB): (23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. How does Jesus' sacrifice of one perfect...
  18. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    You misunderstand the Scriptures, most likely due to poor translation of the Bible. It is obvious that people don't drop dead the first time in their life that they commit a sin. We would have no need of a police force and the judicial system if that were the case! The KJV translates Genesis...
  19. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    That's what I said! I wrote, "God prepared a perfect human body for Jesus". I made no mention of angels. If you can not correctly understand the simple things that I write, then it's very likely that you will misunderstand God's word in the Bible too! I never claimed that! Angels don't have...
  20. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    I didn't say that Jesus makes people with sin. I said that a sinful nature was inherited from our parents. Does Jesus make people with physical and mental handicaps too, or is that inherited from their parents, or a result of their parents' imperfect bodies? What I wrote was that Adam was...