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  1. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Ah, if I can... <chuckles>... Yes, He is the bread of life, certainly. But He's addressing their belief, and/or lack thereof. The passage: "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to Me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in Me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me...
  2. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    LOL! Well that would be quoted from Calvin's Institutes... Goodness gracious. Well, you've clearly misunderstood what he said in that very passage you brought up, so maybe you should go through them again. :) But hey, you can use what you want, just... you know... use it well. And that...
  3. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    2 of 3 As you well, know, this is a continuation of Jesus's conversation with Nicodemus, and He has just said, "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not...
  4. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    In no way. But I can understand why some think that.. Okay, GodsGrace, in answer to this, I'm going to ask you what your take is here in consideration of the following, with particular references in each verse to the underlined portion: John quotes Jesus as saying, "And this is the will of...
  5. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Wait... what? I don't even understand what you're saying I stated... I said, "Love and hate ~ in both Malachi's and Paul's contexts ~ are not emotions, they are actions. And they have to be perfectly compatible with His perfect justice." Yes. And, "God does things for certain people, and he...
  6. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    I don't think he's "making up lies," Christian Soldier. I think we all should quit throwing around these 'lying' or 'deliberately twisting God's Word' or... other like allegations around. I don't mean to single you out, but still... yeah. Hmmm... "burned up"... That sounds dangerously close...
  7. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Um, EG, that is the "Calvinist persevere." We persevere, but only in God's power; it is He Who keeps us. That's... kind of funny, actually... but great. Okay, so at least you're a 1-point Calvinist! <chuckles> Much more importantly, that's the Biblical doctrine of the perseverance of the...
  8. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Hmmm... We persevere to the end, to the day of Christ, because it is God's power at work in us that enables us and preserves us rather than our own. This is the Holy Spirit's ~ God's ~ continuing work in us. Having "heard the word of truth, the gospel of (our) salvation, and (having) believed...
  9. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Ah, well either you fooled me or you're fooling yourself, it seems. <chuckles> We think the very same of each other, GodsGrace. I mean, I know very well you would scoff at such a notion, but you make God's Word out to be really what man has done for God ~ and in effect man-centered ~ rather...
  10. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Well, good question... In Romans 9:13, Paul clearly says, "As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” He's quoting the prophet Malachi, there, who quotes God as saying that very thing... "I have loved Jacob but Esau I have hated" (Malachi 1:2-3). You kind of have to do something...
  11. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    From above... Between Jew and Gentile, yes, which is to say, then, that God's Israel will consist of all ethnicities, an innumerable multitude of folks from every tongue, tribe, and nation. Which... <smile> That's probably a really good idea. <smile> No, GodsGrace, I'm not. If you...
  12. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    LOL! You mean as if I haven't? Goodness gracious. <smile> Well, we know that God loves all of His creation, but yet says, "Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated." So there is, quite obviously, not a lack of love for unbelievers, but quite a different manifestation of His love to...
  13. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    No, He foreknows only those whom he has chosen ~ His elect. From before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1). LOL! He has chosen some from before the foundation of the world ~ these are vessels of mercy ~ and the others He has not ~ these are vessels of wrath. This is His purpose of...
  14. PinSeeker

    T U L I P explained

    Good. Interesting post... I'm all about spiritual things, Scott ~ the work of the Spirit and our new, spiritual life in Christ ~ but I would shy away from over-spiritualizing things. To all this I would just point out what James says, that we Christians should be doers of the Word and not...
  15. PinSeeker

    T U L I P explained

    I... don't really know what you mean by that, Scott. What I said was that what we read in Genesis 2 about God's creation of man is not a "second creation account" in the sense that God executed two different creation acts... that Genesis 2, specifically verses 4 through 22 ~ is a "zoomed in"...
  16. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Well, yeah, fair enough... Acknowledged... :) But... Grace and peace to you, JBO.
  17. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Of course not. But I'm saying, JBO, that if anyone wants to believe in God, then really, they already do ~ they already have this God-given faith ~ and they just may not fully realize it yet. And further, I would say that the very reason they want to believe in God is because the Spirit is at...
  18. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Okay, understood. I don't think it's very difficult to understand, but okay. I do understand that it's quite hard sometimes to... well, I'll stop there. But it's about God's foreknowledge (in Paul's context of Romans 8)... and more specifically whether His electing and saving of folks is...
  19. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Absolutely. However, God's omniscience is not what's in view in Paul's context in Romans 8:29, which I have been very clear in saying, and is very clear in what Paul is saying. God's omniscience applies to all people and all things, but Paul, in saying "Those whom He foreknew" is unmistakably...
  20. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Hmmm, so this is quite obviously a presupposition... Which can then turn into what we often call a self-fulfilling prophecy... So often in these kinds of comments I hear strains of the great Simon and Garfunkel... "still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..." (The Boxer...