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  1. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Which baptism are you talking about here, JBO? :) As you know, I'm sure, John the Baptist says, "I baptize you with water for repentance, but He Who is coming after me is mightier than I, Whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire" (Matthew...
  2. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    So you would say God Himself was incorrect when He said, He would "cause you to walk in (His) statutes and be careful to obey (His) rules"? Hmmm... And you did. No one is denying that. Not Paul, not John Calvin, not any good Calvinist. The other way around. Again, God says, "I will put my...
  3. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Well no, because I've quoted it verbatim. If you were to say 'misunderstood,' then I would agree with that in principle, but I would then say, "right back atcha." :) No, it's about God's purpose of election. The 'it' of Romans 9:16 refers directly to the individual's being of God's elect...
  4. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Well, right, and they won't... until... see above. But God..." :) See Ephesians 2:4-10... Same as above... God "makes us alive..." See Ephesians 2:4-10. Ah... Okay. Yes. :) I mean, I would submit to you that we all have the right to call what is wrong, wrong... what is sin sin... even...
  5. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    That's... due respect... Sorry, that's the compulsive part of me... :) That's... not what I'm talking saying. But, to that point, who causes you to realize your poorness in spirit? Who is it that gives you a new spirit, putting His Spirit in you ~ whoops, I just gave it away... :) ~ and thus...
  6. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Opinion noted and respected. Absolutely right, but I would certainly say that your willing yourself is a very important piece of your... getting to heaven. :) Again, with all due respect, Eternally Grateful, by saying God's purpose of election depends on your willing rather than His, and thus...
  7. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    In a certain way... Read on. Well, He certainly promised something, yes, but His promise was never what any of us would do but rather what He would do. After His, yes. :) And His execution, in due time, of what He had appointed. :) What you're saying, in effect, is that our being members...
  8. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Not a specific sin, no, but he was crystal clear about his remaining proclivity to sin: "For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. So now it is no longer I who do...
  9. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    I encourage you to use a concordance and do a word search on 'appoint' or 'appointed' ~ both Old Testament and New ~ and... see what you find. In a certain sense, I agree with you, but this appointing is a work of God, not in and of ourselves. I would hope that no Christian believes he or she...
  10. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Absolutely, but in this life, a person can be spiritually dead while physically alive. No mere man is was ever or ever will be in this life divinely inspired in the sense of being divine in any way. Jesus, of course, was both fully God and fully man, and this is what qualifies Him as Mediator...
  11. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Meh. I don't think that's always the case. But sometimes, maybe. Ahhhh, now. They just misunderstand. Or, maybe they don't want to admit, even to themselves, that they might be mistaken, which... You know, pride is a really, really, really pervasive sin. Many times, yes. But I think...
  12. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Goodness gracious, I'm so sorry. <chuckles> Yes, I agree that they're lovely. <biiiiig smile> And I'll just say to all of it what I have said before, that generally speaking, the lesser ~ which was fulfilled long ago (the Israelites of old, who comprised Lesser Israel, returned to Jerusalem)...
  13. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    To these I would add at least Romans 3:23, Romans 5:12, 1 Corinthians 2:14, and Ephesians 2:3, that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God", "sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned", "The natural person does...
  14. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Yes. Great! Absolutely. Great! This makes us elect of God. Absolutely. Because He chose us. Because we are among His elect. I think... I think you're kind of conflating what is certain to be but not actually effected yet with what has been made to be effective. Absolutely. Sure...
  15. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Okay. :) Okay. See above... :) Right, and I disagree. I say He does both... or all three... :) This is not to say that we don't choose, because we certainly do, but only that without His gracious choice (before the foundation of the world) and without Him working in our heart by His...
  16. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Well, Replacement theology teaches that the Church now possesses all the promises at the exclusion of the ethnically Jewish people, which, yes, is false. And to really encapsulate most everything you just said and answer to it very succinctly... :) ...to hold to a continued separation of the...
  17. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Continued again from above; I think this is the last one, sorry: Right, I agree, but see above. Right, but see above, and to your reference to Romans 10:9-10, verse 10 refers again to the heart, so what I said above about the heart should be sufficient to answer that, and, just a couple of...
  18. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Continued from above... Well, believing ~ and repenting... and of course choosing ~ is (are) certainly an act (acts) of the will, absolutely. There can be no doubt about that. We have brains, and we use them to do all these things. :) But what drives that will? Why do you do the things you...
  19. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Continued from above... Disagree. We are not actually in Christ until we are born again of the Spirit. Yes, God chose some before the foundation of the world, as Paul says in Ephesians 1:4, and therefore we are members of His elect according to His purpose of election (Romans 9:11) and thus...
  20. PinSeeker

    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Okay. So. :) In answer to this, I'll quote your post 741. I think I'm going to have to split this up; sorry. So to open: Hmmm... Okay, I agree, but Paul is writing a personal letter to groups of Christians, so we know the who, too, right? And he talks about specific groups like God's...