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Luke 24 26“Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?” 27Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures. John 5 39“You search the Scriptures because you think that in them...

@Laurina FYI, that was me sarcastically representing the view of those who refuse to admit what Scripture obviously teaches on the issue--people, I guess, want to make things easy on themselves, so they block those verses out of their minds instead of praying and studying and discussing the...

@Episkopos I meant that the guy you are talking with, @Behold, is utterly incapable of even a modicum of honesty in discussion--he doesn't even read before responding, serially violating Proverbs 18:13. He asked me if I was a 7th Day Adventist because I mentioned that the Torah shows there is...

Lol welcome to my world

Lol he found fault w me tho i thought we had the same view. It's weird.

Not sure why you would say I concluded that that was something He sought--God commands men to believe, so trust in Christ pleases God. Right, believing in the Name of God's Son is a command, and it pleases God when people do it, and we know this bc it's how people (eg, Cornelius) receive the...

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. Would you clarify?

@Episkopos The best case scenario, of course, is that we hold both the correct doctrine, and the correct application, but that isn't always the case.

On the flip side, it is possible to have a correct doctrine but an incorrect application, and vice versa : it may very well be that those who deny justification by works on that Day have the result that they remain at peace by honoring Christ's sacrifice, and, so, they reap the benefits of grace...

Ro 2:6-16 says eternal life depends on whether you are justified (which depends on your works) on that Day : are you saying can be saved AND condemned (not justified) and not repaid eternal life but wrath on that Day? I thought salvation was FROM His righteous wrath on unrighteousness.

Too late, sucker! I built the bike, and my son's riding it--told you I didn't need those extra pieces!

Those verses are just "extra pieces". They're in there by mistake. I know this because "faith alone"--I make it the "Sun" of my Bible "solar system", and whatever verses threaten that, too bad, I don't need them, they don't exist, they're "extra", put in there by mistake.

hlf I have the same problem with these people

Yeah, maybe "hoe" means something different where you come from--where I'm from, I'd always thought it meant a loose woman not a woman paid for her "services".

Sounds good, enjoy yourself!

Sounds good, man, enjoy!

If you really want to help people, including me, petition God that He would give you the grace to actually honor ALL of Scripture, not just your favorite snippets, so that you could actually make a coherent argument, instead of dishonoring/ignoring Scripture so you can just say what ever...

If you want to present an argument against my position, go ahead.

I remember our discussions, and how you have no intention of answering issues, so I won't be continuing in wasting my resources on you--I refer everyone to the conversation we've already had here and all other threads where I've discussed issues with you.

Including Christ being wrong about who will be raised to life--those who have done good will not be raised to justification and life, and those who have done evil will not be raised to condemnation and death? Just deal with the subject matter, don't muddy the waters with emotional personal...