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  1. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    You have not given the names of each of the 24 elders.
  2. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    How about also knowing that Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David ?
  3. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    We are not told by name who the 24 elders are. In Revelation 4, the four beasts are described as far as their appearance and activity. But no expanded information about them.
  4. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. We are not given the details of how the beast overcomes them, and kills them. Their bodies will lay dead in...
  5. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    In Revelation 5:5, John also saw the vision of Jesus as the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David. The lion and lamb are two visions about Jesus that flanked him. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In heaven, we will see...
  6. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    John saw Jesus. Flanked by two visions about him. To one side of Jesus, a vision of a lion. To the other side of Jesus, the vision of the lamb. Revelation 5: 4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders...
  7. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The two witnesses will be two individual prophets as it says in Revelation 11:9-12. Revelation 11: 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that...
  8. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. ...because that is what John saw.
  9. Douggg

    In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

    ....your post is so confusing. Why not simply say that the Daniel 11:31 historic abomination of desolation by Antiochus IV and his troops prefigured what the end times abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 will be. i.e. a statue image placed in a holy place.
  10. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. It simply means that each of the two witnesses will have the power to deliver fire from their mouth as a method of...
  11. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    How many Elect ? So what is the purpose of saying "two" witnesses ?
  12. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    No, that is not what it says. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. Verse 4 is taken from...
  13. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    In Revelation 1:20 it is seven candlesticks symbolizing seven churches. Not two candlesticks symbolizing two churches. Why are you trying so hard to rationalize two churches into Revelation 11 ? Why are you so motivated to do so ? Are you trying to defend your post-trib rapture view ?
  14. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Then make an alternative diagram of how the other 14 time of the end time frames fit together (leaving out the the 70th week of Daniel 9:27). I annotated Daniel 9:27 as the left hand boundary. In your diagram, just leave that blank. Before you say you can't make charts, down below I made a...
  15. Douggg

    In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

    So stop using the terms "type" and "antitype".
  16. Douggg

    In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

    I don't think there is a connection. John was told to seal what the thunders uttered - but not as a matter of understanding what they uttered. Differently, in Daniel 12, the words that the angel spoke to Daniel about in Daniel 12 were sealed up from understanding until the time of the end...
  17. Douggg

    In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

    David, what I think it means "when the transgressors are come to the full", it talking about the ten kings that the little horn person will be over are in place. I think it will be possible, not long from now, to identify who those ten kings (leaders) and the little horn person is.
  18. Douggg

    In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?

    If you notice, John does not mention the name of the beast (person) anywhere in Revelation. But in the visions shown to John, he must have seen the name on people's right hand and foreheads. But John was told not to reveal exactly what the name of the beast is. That's one reason, imo...
  19. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    No, it is not an argument from silence. In Revelation 1:20 it is seven candlesticks symbolizing seven churches. Not two candlesticks symbolizing two churches. Why are you trying so hard to rationalize two churches into Revelation 11 ? Why are you so motivated to do so ?