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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Continued from above: Rationalizing something away regarding God's Word is never a good thing in any way. Ohhhhh... yes I can... and you are... :) You don't mean to be, for sure, but you are. Well, the same as anyone else: acknowledging God for Who He is, worshiping Him as Creator rather than...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    LOL!!! Okay, just a few things... :) Oh, I agree with you about context, and my exhortation to you would be, quit avoiding the context. My goodness. Okay: "...these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    You got it! :) As if I haven't been clear about this several times before now... :) Is there anything able to preclude God's will? Again, from Paul in Romans 9, "You will say to me then, 'Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?' But who are you, O man, to answer back to...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." (Paul, 1 Corinthians 2:14) John Calvin did not "make it up," Spritual Israelite. I already spoke to this, SI. Jesus...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Okay, the home stretch, finally... :) Okay yeah, this is important. I mean, it all is, but... Ah, there it is. I knew this was coming long ago, as you may remember; I tried to draw it out of you then. :) So, yeah, God's 'foreknowledge..." Let's focus on Romans 8:29. When Paul says...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Okay, continued from above... Okay, well, please think of the ramifications of your Arminian beliefs. :) Two things: a) I actually was Arminian in my understanding of these things at one time ~ and for a good length of time ~and have since... well, "repented"... :) And... b) Neither...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    We need to try to boil this down, or break it up somehow into more manageable pieces... :) But, nevertheless, continued from above: Right, and they are in need of being born of the Spirit, and it does have everything to do with being able to make a spiritual decision, a decision of the Holy...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Continued from above... :) Ah, so you're asking, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" Right? That's the question Paul is attributing to his hearers, in Romans 9:19. And then further, (vv.20-21), "But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Continued from above: That's a very good question. Just on a human level, personally speaking, how can you or I be really desirous of something coming to be, but at the same time resolved not to make that something happen? Why would we make such a decision? Well, there could be several...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    And here we go again with the able versus unable thing. You're missing the point, SI. The natural condition, the condition from birth, of the human heart, because of the consequences of Adam's sin, is to be wholly inclined against God. For unbelievers, the reason they have no excuse is that...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I'm not even sure what you mean by this. You seem to have some sort of... well, issue, or axe to grind, or something, but I can't really put my finger on it... maybe that God somehow "forces His will on humans." If that's the case, then what I would say is that regarding His salvation, our...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved, yes. But not all will, unfortunately... only the ones the Lord calls. As the prophet Joel says and to whom both John and Paul refer directly in John 3 and Romans 10: "And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Great! To what you have said, I'm going to start at the end first: What the struggle for agreement between all of us here, GB, is really in what sense we are talking about something being possible and not possible. So... Well, yes, it can, and it is, from strictly a humanistic perspective...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    This is really the problem. I guess we could say that, you know, the weather at any given time "determines" whether I play golf or not. And that's true, but in the event that there is thunder/lightning or it is just raining really hard, did the weather make my decision for me, thereby...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Right, I understand, but most people who have such visceral reactions to John Calvin and his theology are really reacting to Hyper-Calvinism, and they don't even realize it. Peter having the foreknowledge? You mean Jesus, right? Peter is adamant that he will never deny Christ, and his every...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    No and no; Jesus is God, and Jesus knew what Peter was going to do... Let me offer this, GB; surely you will see the parallel... The Bible was written over many years, even centuries, different parts of it written by several different people, repectively. We refer to it as God's Word, because...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Hmmmm, well I would say he did have the free will (woodenly speaking) not to deny Christ ~ certainly he chose of his own free will and accord to do what he did ~ but because of his sinful nature, the condition of his heart, he was compelled to, and thus chose to, do otherwise. The heart always...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    And, once again, back atcha... Well, okay, but you your Arminian bias... This back and forth thing is not good, I think... :) Well, as I said before, Jesus answered that Himself: "...you do not believe because you are not among my sheep" (John 10:26). To fit your narrative ~ or, rather, for...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    <chuckles> Well, we all think that about each other, right? That's kind of the genesis of debate... LOL! Well, right back atcha, SI. I avoid such... incendiary... rhetoric. Agree... :) Seems we're sort of talking past each other here, at least in this case. Yes. :) No. :) Neither...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    LOL! Well, God is God, and He can do anything, because He is God... :) But no translation ever insinuates in any way that God sometimes wishes but does not get. :) Surely you can understand wishing in at least a couple of very different contexts. The English Standard Version (ESV), which...