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If a person lived and died under the OC. and had the permanency of the Holy Spirit dwelling within them,...when did they go to heaven/paradise? Please read Col. 1:18, then select your answer of either #1 or #2: 1. Immediately after their death. 2. Not until after "the First resurrection", who...

You don't get it at all. Do you not understand that Jesus Himself is "the First Resurrection" unto New and Eternal Life? If you are Born again, think on that for a minute, in conjunction with Rev. 20:6. Hopefully, you ALREADY "have taken part" in "the First Resurrection", by being Born again of...

If you want to deny the blood of Christ for the Atonement of sins, and then believe that YOU CAN HAVE the Gift of Eternal Life WITH OUT IT, then you will argue about everything, just so as to keep your pet doctrines.

Do you not understand that the Psalmist ALREADY KNEW that the Holy Spirit of God could not permanently STAY within him or any man, and therefore was only pleading with God, and hoping that for himself, that would not be the case. Honestly, in light of John 7:39 and Rev. 6:9-11, if you cannot...

I do understand what you are saying. I also do follow Rev. in a similar way. However, in discerning Revelation, earthly time is not operative as how most people think. For example: In just the Seals alone, I see them as being consecutive in their order of numbering. But, as for the details of...

I supposed I messed that up, but I think you know what I was saying.

Those who were under the altar were the faithful dead of the OC. and had been waiting for "the Promise to come (Jesus)", and were in need of the Holy Spirit (white robe), the Gift of Eternal Life. 1 John 5:13. Ever since Pentecost, people receive the Holy Spirit while they are still breathing...

No, they cannot be of the NC. NONE OF THEM had the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit (white robes) until after death, which proves them to be BEFORE Christ came in the flesh. Ever since Pentecost, the "natural branches" (Jews) are ONLY grafted back into their own tree by BEING Born again...

In Rev. 6:9-11, the people "under the altar" never had the Holy Spirit. Again, no one can be in heaven without having the Holy Spirit. Edit: The "altar" here is not for sacrifice, but rather for "Remembrance" (Mal. 3:16-18). God is remembering His faithful "jewels" of those who died in faith...

Since in your post #474 you purposely cut off the ending verse that I referenced from the parable about Lazaruth & the Rich man, in my post# 473, you are revealing that you would much rather believe the lies of church-ianity, and not the teaching of the Holy Spirit, which are the words of Luke...

No one was in Heaven/paradise yet, BECAUSE Jesus had not yet died His mortal death. John 7:39. Since then and up to now, hades/hell is simply nothing but the grave, because all dead mortal bodies must be buried or burned up. Therefore, the singular truth of the parable of Lazaruth and the rich...

That's what church-ianity says. The Holy Spirit teaches Luke 16:31.

The word "altar" is a place of sacrifice. Also, an altar as a structure of itself, can also be a place of Remembrance of an event in time. In Malachi 3:16-18 there was a book of Remembrance for all of the faithful of OC Israel. Their names were to be recorded there, because at that time there...

I agree.

Parables are semi fictious stories, purposely designed to deliver a single truth. In this particular instance, the singular truth had nothing to do with who goes where, but rather who it was that came here. Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will...

If that is the case, then they who are Israel and are Born again of the Holy Spirit they already have been given a white robe- (1 John 5:13), and are of the "great multitude", which is the harvest of this present Age of God's Grace. Surely, you do not think that converted Jews to Christ, who...

You are not following the fact that Rev. 6:9-11 reveals that NO ONE of Israel who ever lived and died in faith, under the altar of the OC, EVER HAD the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit, UNTIL AFTER the mortal death of Jesus Christ. John 7:39.

I admit no such thing. It is you that is hanging on to parts and remnants of church-ianity's "stupid" teaching about the 144,000 being of the NC. It's sad that you want to keep using the word "stupid" in our discussion. I don't mind using it right back! I am not here to contend with you or...

? Would that be a generation according to age, or is it according to a generation, being that of a type of people?

So, then stop believing stupid things!! There is only one grouping of the 12 tribes x12,000 = 144K, and they are of the OC., and NOT of the NC. I did!! And the answer is Rev. 6:9-11, which is concerning OC. Israel ONLY. Though DEAD, they were held in Remembrance by God, and were rewarded with...