Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

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They couild be of the NC, and that is most likely since they are spoken of in the end times during when the NC is active. They are simply natural branches of Israel that are Christians and follow Christ.
No, they cannot be of the NC.
NONE OF THEM had the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit (white robes) until after death, which proves them to be BEFORE Christ came in the flesh.

Ever since Pentecost, the "natural branches" (Jews) are ONLY grafted back into their own tree by BEING Born again of the Holy Spirit, WHILE THEY ARE PHYSICALLY ALIVE and breathing,.... NOT AFTER DEATH!!!! All of such will be of the Great Multitude, which is eveveryone who are NOW SAVED by coming to repentance and having faith in Christ.
 
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Prove that.
Those who were under the altar were the faithful dead of the OC. and had been waiting for "the Promise to come (Jesus)", and were in need of the Holy Spirit (white robe), the Gift of Eternal Life. 1 John 5:13.

Ever since Pentecost, people receive the Holy Spirit while they are still breathing!
No one under the NC receives the Holy Spirit after they die!!
Rev. 6:9-11 are those who were remembered by God in the Book of Remembrance. Mal. 3:16-18.
Again....John 7:39 reveals that the Holy Spirit wasn't permanently given to anyone EVER, UNTIL AFTER Christ's death and Glorification (resurrection).
 
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Those who were under the altar were the faithful dead of the OC. and had been waiting for "the Promise to come (Jesus)", and were in need of the Holy Spirit (white robe), the Gift of Eternal Life. 1 John 5:13.
I agree, and here’s something else we need to consider.

In Revelation 6:9-11 the souls under the altar ask the question of how long dost thou not judge them that dwell on the earth. The answer is given in vs 11 that they should rest a little season until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that they should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Currently everyone who has read Revelation 6 knows the answer to the question, and since we all have this knowledge (or foreknowledge, depending on when someone thinks this takes place) there is no need to ask this question again, now or in the future, because the answer will not change. Actually asking the Lord this question would show a lack of faith if someone thought a different answer might be possible.
 
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I could have used a lot worse word to describe you telling me: "Unknowling, you are inadvertently blending "religious" conspiracy theories with the truth here.".

You think it's acceptable to accuse me of accepting conspiracy theories? That was very offensive, so I think calling that "stupid" was very tame compared to what I could have called it.


That's what I would like to do as well. Free from any accusations of accepting conspiracy theories or anything like that. Can you do that?


I don't know what you mean by that. They are numbered for a reason. It describes things that happen in the realm of time. This doesn't mean that all the seal events happen, then all the trumpet events, then all the vial events. I believe the seals, trumpets and vials are all parallel to each other. So, my understanding of the fifth seal agrees with my understanding of the fifth trumpet and fifth vial. But, the seals are numbered for a reason. The seal events happen in chronological order in parallel with the numbered trumpets and numbered vials.
I do understand what you are saying. I also do follow Rev. in a similar way. However, in discerning Revelation, earthly time is not operative as how most people think.
For example: In just the seals alone, I see them as being consecutive in their order of numbering. But, as for the details of each Seal and its description, I see everything all future, right from the birth of Christ upto His Return.
To me, I see the Seals to be like subtitles whereby the events of the Trumpets and the Vials take place under them and among them.

There really is nothing that is strictly chronological, except for the flow of how it all pans out to the End of these old heavens and old earth, and the Beginning of the New Heaven and New Earth, of which to me, all of that has nothing to do with another planet similar to this one.
What is another Dimension for being in Eternity? As of yet, we don't know!
 

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No one under the NC receives the Holy Spirit after they die!!

That contradicts what the bible says so that is the teaching of church-ianity which means something not from God or the bible.

Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.