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  1. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    I don't see any topic being banned in the "Terms and rules". Why would anyone want to ban discussing their beliefs? 1 Peter 3:15 (WEB): (15) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts; and always be ready to give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason concerning the hope that is in you...
  2. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    Although, of course, he will have a new name when we join him in heaven: Revelation 3:12 (WEB): (12) He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new...
  3. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    That's not what the Bible says. Genesis 2 (WEB): (9) Out of the ground Yahweh God made every tree to grow that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, including the tree of life in the middle of the garden and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. (16) Yahweh God commanded the...
  4. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    Semantics. ;) If you're at someone's side then you are side by side with them. Stephen said (Acts 7:56), "Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!" I think most people would interpret that to mean that he was side by side with God. As Paul...
  5. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    God drove them out of the garden to separate them from the tree of life - so that they would not be able to live forever. It was nothing to do with separating Adam and Eve from God.
  6. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    That is illogical. Your dad was not a father and simultaneously his own only begotten son. Your dad begat you, and you are his son, but your dad is not you.
  7. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    Well explained. That convinces me (not!). :rolleyes:
  8. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    It was a garden (park) that God planted for Adam to live in (Genesis 2:8,15). It wasn't where God lived. God would occasionally visit and walk with Adam and Eve, so only then were they in His presence. God drove them out of the garden because: Genesis 3 (WEB): (22) Yahweh God said, “Behold...
  9. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    The Cambridge Bible notes says: which is in heaven] These words are omitted in the best MSS. If they are retained, the meaning is ‘Whose proper home is heaven.’ Or the Greek participle may be the imperfect tense (comp. Joh_6:62, Joh_9:25, Joh_17:5), which was in heaven before the Incarnation...
  10. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    This was your answer to where in the Bible does it say: However, the verses you quote don't confirm God declaring that Eve "was only a part of Adam". It simply says, "Yahweh God made a woman from the rib which he had taken from the man, and brought her to the man". The rib was a part of Adam...
  11. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    Just writing "One [being] in two different places does not make them two persons" doesn't make that true either. Thta says God drove Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden; it doesn't say that God drove mankind out of the presence of God. Moses said in Moab, Deuteronomy 29:10 (WEB): (10) All...
  12. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    Jesus and God are not one being! Where does it say that in the Bible?
  13. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    I presume that you mean, are Jehovah's servants, or anyone, who lived before Jesus started his earthly ministry, going to heaven. I would answer no. Jesus said, Matthew 11:11 (WEB): (11) Most certainly I tell you, among those who are born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than...
  14. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Simple - a person with eternal life will never die. Revelation 21:4 (WEB): (4) He will wipe away every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; neither will there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more. The first things have passed away.”
  15. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Why do you keep mispelling immortal as inmortal? There is no such word. The dictionary definition of mortal is "subject to death; having a transitory life". Immortal is the opposite of mortal and means "not mortal; not liable or subject to death".
  16. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    The "Afterward", or 'next', at the start of verse 17, means immediately after the dead have been resurrected, those alive at the time of that resurrection, will be caught up and changed. The resurrection of the dead in Christ, and the rapture of those still alive occurs at the same time, when...
  17. keithr

    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    All Christians will be resurrected and in heaven before the great multitude, mentioned in Revelation 7:9, are gathered. The Church doesn't go through the great tribulation - these people do. The opportunity for gentiles to be grafted into the Israel of God, to become members of the body and...
  18. keithr

    Who was sacrificed Jesus the human, or the spirit being who came to earth to become Jesus?

    This is what you said: So you did say that Jesus and the Father "are One", and added "being" to clarify how you interpreted it. That is not how it is writtten, there is no mention of "one being" in John 17 (WEB): (3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him...