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  1. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    I never said that Galations 4 even mentioned Joseph! I said that it was an example of how to interpret Old Testament Scripture, showing that it is valid to interpret the story of Joseph as an allegory and as a type for Jesus. Are you really so easily confused and lacking in understanding...
  2. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    Regardless of the semantics, in response to your statement: Genesis is primarily a history book. While there may be parallels among heroes, generally, there is no basis to suppose one hero or God's anointed was symbolic of another hero or God's anointed. Pauls' method of interpretation of the...
  3. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    And yet Paul used true facts as an allegory. Wikipedia states: As a literary device or artistic form, an allegory is a narrative or visual representation in which a character, place, or event can be interpreted to represent a hidden meaning with moral or political significance. and it states...
  4. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    An allegory does not have to be a fictional story. It can be a true story, as in the example that Paul gave in Galations 4.
  5. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    Yes, as I wrote above, it "has been variously interpreted as" ... and I gave four different interpretations. That later article that I mentioned gave another interpretation. I've no idea which, if any, is correct.
  6. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    How about the basis that Paul gave us an example of how to interpret Old Testament Scripture in Galations 4 (WEB): (22) For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the servant, and one by the free woman. (23) However, the son by the servant was born according to the flesh, but the...
  7. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    I have just read elsewhere that the name that the Pharaoh gave Joseph, Zaphnath-Paaneah, means 'bread of life'. That's another allusion to Jesus, who said "I am the bread of life" (John 6:35). That article also says: Joseph was an interpreter for God. In him we see shadowed forth God's...
  8. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    In the Greek Septuagint (LXX) the Jewish scholars rendered Nephilim as γίγαντες [gigantes]. The KJV translates the word as “giants”. However, the word gigantes means earth-born. The Jewish scholars interpreted their Hebrew Scriptures to mean that angels from heaven mated with women to produce...
  9. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    They were not necessarily very evil and wicked. They had been persuaded/deceived by Satan to side with him, but their intentions may have been to help mankind. Christians should always think the best of others unless they have absolute proof of their sins, and even then to have compassion and...
  10. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    Why don't you want to believe what the Scriptures says? Whether or not you find it embarrassing or evil, it is what happened.
  11. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    If you want to think the best of the angels who bred with women, you could surmise that they had seen the fallen nature of humans, how that they were physically degenerating since they came under God's curse and started dying, and that the angels may have thought that if they took on perfect...
  12. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    When angels take on human form, normal people can not distinguish them from normal men (Hebrews 13:2). There's no reason to assume that if they took their clothes off that they would be revealed as not fully human! There is no need to make assumptions over whether or not the angels took on the...
  13. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    The Nephilim is the name given to the giant men that were the offspring of the mating with women by the angels which took on human form. Genesis 6:2 says: (2) God’s sons saw that men’s daughters were beautiful, and they took any that they wanted for themselves as wives. Note it says "God's...
  14. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    So what do you think the expression "came in to " means? As in Genesis 6:4 (WEB): (4) The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God’s sons came in to men’s daughters and had children with them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. which...
  15. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    Angels can take on perfect human form, so that we can't tell them apart from normal people. As Pauls said, Hebrews 13:2 (WEB): (2) Don’t forget to show hospitality to strangers, for in doing so, some have entertained angels without knowing it. God allowed the angels to take on human form...
  16. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    The angels took on human form in order to breed with humans: Genesis 6:2-4 (WEB): (2) God’s sons saw that men’s daughters were beautiful, and they took any that they wanted for themselves as wives. (3) Yahweh said, “My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; so his...
  17. keithr

    Any thoughts on this? No exploding heads please.

    You're making assumptions. It does not say that Noah was the ONLY person who had been uncorrupted by the cross breeding by the sons of God (fallen angels); it just says that he was perfect (without blemish) in his generations (genealogy), and that he walked with God. If you want to make...
  18. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    [Continuing...] The name Asenath, the wife that Pharaoh (God) gave to Joseph (Jesus), means "gift of the sun-god", and Asenath’s father’s name, Potipherah, means “he whom the sun-god gave”. The name that the Pharaoh gave Joseph, Zaphnathpaaneah, has been variously interpreted as, “treasury of...
  19. keithr

    Joseph and Benjamin – Jesus and his Church

    There are no replies or comments to Ben Abraham's thread ANI YOSEF! (I am Joseph) Messianic symbolism here? GEN 44:17-47:27, so I thought I would post this article that I wrote 20 years ago, which also comments on the Messianic symbolism of the story of Joseph: With careful study of the...
  20. keithr

    Resurrection on earth

    It does not make sense that time would come to an end on the Earth, especially if people are going to have everlasting life on Earth. Modern translations more correctly translate Revelation 10:6 as there being no more delay, e.g. (WEB): (6) and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who...