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    Hidden in plain sight: Why I believe this about the Revelation

    Since there is a view called Amil, and that Revelation 20 mentions a thousand years, where then is there anything recorded in Revelation prior to that chapter that supports that some of these prophesied events are involving the time of the thousand years? No matter how you look at it, no way can...
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    Hidden in plain sight: Why I believe this about the Revelation

    And IMO why this is relevant is because one is not considered to have fully overcome until they have endured up until the end of their life or up until Christ returns, whichever might come first in their case. It is not reasonable to argue, like some apparently do, that once you are saved this...
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    ANOTHER FACTOR THAT PROVES AMIL FALSE, PAUL WISHED FOR A RESURRECTION OF THE UNJUST ALSO

    Let's be reasonable here. Whenever the unjust are raised, whether that be during the 2nd coming, or a thousand years post the 2nd coming, either way it involves them being judged and sentenced at that time. Which means their fate comes following the sentencing phase, the same way in the real...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    You seem to think you can speak for me even though you are not even me. So now I think whatever feedback I get from chatgpt is true, when I don't even remotely think that is the case every single time? I'm basically using chatgpt as a research tool, except it has an added feature, it can...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    And now that I have admitted that Irenaeus was applying Revelation 20:2 to the time of the cross, I then consulted Chatgpt, which is obviously more intelligent than all of us put together, in order to see if it might provide some insight into Irenaeus' theology at the time, thus make some sort...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    But I did make another post after that one. After this post of yours. Maybe when you read that it might change your mind about me to some degree. But then again, maybe not. You seem to maybe be unforgiving in my case.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    Initially I tended to doubt that. But after thinking on it some more, I have to now agree that no Amils, including WPM, are being intellectually dishonest in this thread. And I do apologize for initially thinking otherwise. And that I do apologize for things I said to Amils in another post in...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    I said the following to Chatgpt earlier: It seems to me then that Irenaeus' theology can't fully fit a Premil nor an Amil framework. Because, what Premil today would agree that Revelation 20:2 is meaning at the cross? And what Amil today would agree that the millennium doesn't begin until after...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    and that the lion, that is, antichrist, rampant against mankind in the latter days, should be trampled down by Him; and that He should bind the dragon, that old serpent Revelation 20:2 and subject him to the power of man, who had been conquered Luke 10:19 so that all his might should be trodden...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    In this case I was only using Chatgpt to research what some early church fathers had said, meaning maybe it knew of some quotes that supports what @WPM was alleging about Justin, or maybe it agreed with @WPM take on what Justin had said. At least chatgpt is intellectually honest about things...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics - see the evidence

    I submitted what you said here to Chatgpt, then I asked chatgpt the following. ------------------ The following is what an Amillennialist is asking about in regards to what another Amillennialist said. Is all of it true, that Justin Martyr said Jesus would cast "the wicked, endued with eternal...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    Plenty to support it except some of you are clueless. That unless something comes right out and says so, such as Matthew 19:28, for example, that this supports a millennium after the 2nd coming, that means Premils have no biblical corroboration for their interpretation of Revelation 20:1-6...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    Some of you can't even grasp context properly at times, thus can't keep things in context. The context of my post had zero to do with whether or not JWs and Premils share some of the same beliefs. My point had to do with having debunked their interpretation that Jesus is not God, as an example...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    You have no discernment whatsoever if you are applying that in that manner. Why would you be applying what Jesus said about Lot's wife in Luke 17 to that of His 2nd coming in the end of this age to begin with? Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    The reason why some need this in the twinkling of eye to explain everything is in order to explain away everything rather than explaining everything. IOW, it's a cop out to take that approach. No hard work involved whatsoever. Just let this in the twinkling of an eye explain everything. Plus...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    I guess it's equally all noise when any of us insist, including maybe even you, that our arguments have debunked Pretrib, for example. Or that our arguments have debunked that Jesus is not God, pertaining to JWs, as another example. The reason I bring these examples up is because not even you...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    Except my username at the time was not Diva, it was divaD, that's David spelled backwards. Had you included that D at the end of that name, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. I would have been perfectly fine with it since divaD is not the same as being called Diva.
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    Whether you realize it or not, and whether you acknowledge it or not, I am a addressing the OP in my own way by debunking Amil, thus leaving Amil no valid arguments. But of course though, Amils are no different than JWs and Pretribbers, for example, when it comes to being debunked. Amils, just...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    So now I'm Diva, a woman? Except I'm pretty sure I was born a male and that my mother named me David, not Diva nor even Dave. She named me after the David in the Bible, and that there is no Diva nor a Dave in the Bible. I don't even like being called Dave let alone Diva.
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    As to something like that, I think all views are going to have a problem with things of that nature, to some degree. For example. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which...