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    PAST-Millennialism

    That’s the answer TN: just yes. God plainly told Adam that he would die that very day, so he (and Eve) must have died. However, it is quite evident that his and Eve’s mortal life did not end that very day, so the question that remains is, what kind of death did they experience?What does it...
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    Which view does Zechariah 14 support? Premil or Amil?

    That seemed like a pretty good break; here's the rest... There is only one Israel, Randy, and it is not an earthly nation-state. It is not insignificant that the physical nation-state Israel actually was actually constituted in 1948, but God's Israel is much greater than that, at any one point...
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    Which view does Zechariah 14 support? Premil or Amil?

    Hm. Okay, but I think that's a big part of this. I'm not going to attribute this directly to you, Randy, but there are some things that people try to separate that cannot be separated. Well, we should lay aside any predetermined ~ yes, based on biases ~ conclusions, for sure. But at least as...
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    Which view does Zechariah 14 support? Premil or Amil?

    Point taken about not getting the two confused, of course, but I would turn that around to you Randy and say, let's not soft-pedal either one either, especially the latter; yes, He has always been King. To what you say initially here... I would put it more in terms of what Paul says to the...
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    Which view does Zechariah 14 support? Premil or Amil?

    I am most certainly not a Preterist. However, Christ did say He was King, and His Kingdom was not of this world, and the Kingdom here now, several times in His earthly ministry, Randy. And as you know, He was worshiped as King even at His birth by the shepherds, who were told by the angel that...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    And trying to get you to do the same. :) You're nowhere near perfect, Ghada. None of us are. We are both, for now. One day, though, we will no longer be the latter, but only the former. As does Paul, when he exhorts us to put off the old man and put on the new: "...put off your old self...
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    Which view does Zechariah 14 support? Premil or Amil?

    In view of the above, then... Well, you know, I'm going to quote a great commentator... :) (emphasis [bold text] mine): ZECHARIAH PREFACE: "...the people had to contend with various and most grievous trials. Satan had already raised up great opposition to them; but there were still greater...
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    Which view does Zechariah 14 support? Premil or Amil?

    So... understood. Fair warning, I'm gonna get a little long-winded here... :) I'm going to focus on your numbers 1, 2, and 3 above, and your assertion that number 3 is correct (bolded). I think you're being too strict (that may not be the correct term to use, there, 'strict,' but I think...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    Correct. :) No, what you're talking about regarding "at the Lord's return" is the second resurrection, which is unlike the first resurrection in that it is bodily, and also that it is general and not restricted to the saints only. We should see this second resurrection having happened just...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    Read what Paul writes to the elect in Ephesus and see if you don’t see a resurrection there, 3R. You should… No, because Jesus was and is God, as well as man; He was never in need of being born again of the Spirit, and was not raised from death in sin as we have been. Our part in the second...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    No one is doing that, Ghada. When you stop kidding yourself ~ deceiving yourself, as John says ~ about being able to cease sinning in this life, let me know. :) Well, right. God “has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills.” Those are Paul’s exact words in Romans 9:18...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    Not bad; a bit of a mixed bag… EXCELLENT! :). I mean… not hard to discern. But great! Thank you. :) Ugh. No, that His resurrection makes ours possible… and certain. You do get that last part (possible and certain) right, so not all of what you say here is bad… :) Ugh. This is a conflation...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    Not physically, no. I would answer your question with a question: Did Adam and Eve really die as God told Adam he would on the very day he ate from the forbidden tree (Genesis 2:17)? And, regarding us believers, Paul and Peter both say we were made alive when we were converted to Christ; Paul...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    That’s at least part of it, I agree. Right, but there’s more to this being dead than many realize, too. There are dead people walking among us even now. But some will not remain in that condition. :) Thanks! Although… I don’t think Ghada is being very nice. But that’s… okay. :) Grace and...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    LOL! See, here again, I don’t even know what this means… Uh, well, yes… :) and for ours… :) Ah, so you can see hearts, as God does… Through your computer screen… I seeeeee…. LOL! None of us do. Not you, not me, not anybody, in this life. Unless one wants to just lie to himself, maybe, but I...
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    PAST-Millennialism

    Let’s see… Not if they don’t want to see it, no. :) I’m not really trying to show errors in your arguments, Ghada. What I hope is that you’ll see them for yourself, my friend. Well, but who’s saying such a ridiculous thing? Certainly not I… :) You and I (and a lot of other saints) are alive...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    This is a misunderstanding and mis-ordering if things described in Revelation 11-15 and mid-synthesizing Daniel’s prophecy with John’s. I don’t totally disagree with you, Timtofly, but at least to a significant degree. I’ll just say the following here: * The 42 months and 1260 days of...
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    Which view does Zechariah 14 support? Premil or Amil?

    My comments above were just regarding Zechariah 14:16-19, and I stand by those comments. But on the whole of Zechariah 14, we agree more than you think, I think… :). I’ll just say the following, some of which may be a repeat of things I’ve said before: In chapter 13, Zechariah speaks of the...
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    Which view does Zechariah 14 support? Premil or Amil?

    First, a digression, although with a very pointed purpose... :) Here's an account of my Christmas season: 1. I really enjoyed the Advent Season of 2023. It certainly ended on a triumphant note! 2. We worshiped God and celebrated Christ's first Advent for the full month of December and even...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    When Christ Jesus returns, He returns. As Paul says, "...the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God" (1 Thessalonians 4:16). Agreed. But "extending the time"? No... :) The 42 months, or three and...