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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Hmm... I might assert that they can't truly experience the powers of Christ, but okay. There is what we call common grace, and, for these folks, yes, they can experience the outward benefits of fellowship with the saints, but they are not truly regenerate and in Christ as we are. Ah, well, I...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Ugh; well, this is an interesting response, if nothing else... :) I'm not even going to try to follow your... um, well,.. your trains of "thought" anymore, Timtofly. :) As long as you continue to think the events described in Revelation 20:1-6 are chronologically subsequent to the events of...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Right. Resolved. :) Except ~ and you may agree ~ the unsaved never were alive spiritually. Right. Resolved. :) But again, the unsaved never were alive spiritually. Adam and Eve did indeed die that very day in Genesis 3 (albeit spiritually, but not yet physically, when Eve was deceived...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    He didn't "leave it out." The 'but' is indicating a contrast, so there is a different reality after the millennium for the sinner, the one who still dwells in his/her sin. This person, the one not in Christ, one of the ones on Christ's left in the final Judgment, as Jesus depicts graphically...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Good; that's settled. Good; that's settled. Well, our bodies, along with the rest of creation, are made new. Certainly, God can reconstitute our bodies; he made man from dust ~ Genesis 2:7 ~ in the first place, right? And then, in view of the fall, God says to Adam, "By the sweat of your...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Sure it is. But when someone replies or addresses someone individually by quoting them, then it's a smaller exchange between the two... into which anyone can interject, for sure, but still, it is what it is. But yeah, you have ghosted me several times. Hey, if we were actually in a room all...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Sure. Absolutely. Ah, well, that seems to indicate a misunderstanding of what it means to be dead. In the Bible, Randy, being dead is a state of being. And the dead ~ you're right ~ will not enter into Christ's Kingdom... the New Heaven and New Earth. They will not be co-heirs with Christ...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Right; not surprising. Because, David, that's a response to Randy, and you and he are presumably at least somewhat like-minded. I would prefer a response to what I posted. But, if you choose not to do that, that's fine with me; suit yourself. Just say so, one way or the other, as that would...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Well, yes, they will be resurrected to eternal life, sure. Interesting. What about all those who are at that time since physically deceased? And how might you reconcile what you say here, Randy, with what Jesus says in John 5:28-29? For convenience: "Do not marvel at this, for an hour is...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Zechariah 14:16-19... So, I've posted twice now, in short order, too, really, an explanation of this passage in relation to Revelation 20. And WPM gave it a "Like," which would presumably mean he (or she?) is in agreement with it. But it seems to be falling on deaf ears for some reason or...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Right, ridiculous reasons. As I said, just because someone disagrees with something doesn't mean they don't grasp it. And in the context that you say this, amillennialists would turn that right back around on premillennialists. But nobody "tries to make things mean anything they don't mean,"...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Well, yes, and this will be in eternity, the age to come, in which there will be no more sin or death. The Israel of God never was, is not now, and never will be a nation-state. Though not complete yet, it now includes people of every tongue, tribe, and people-group... all those in Christ...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    LOL! Well, I would state it in a much more congenial, good-spirited way, but basically would say the same things the other way around; this is precisely what premillennialism does. Anyone can "grasp" anything, even two or more things that are diametrically opposed, but acceptance is of course...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Hmm, well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, for sure. But you seem to be acknowledging that it will happen, and I would submit to you and RGB that, in Romans 11, especially in verse 26, that that's exactly what Paul is doing. And by "en masse," I don't mean "all Jews," and neither...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    But you must have some rationale for believing what you do, right? Much agreed. I would submit to you, Randy, that Jeremiah prophesies of the millennial period/kingdom throughout chapter 31 of his work, especially verses 31-34: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make...
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    Isaiah 65:17 vs. Revelation 21:1. How many NHNEs does that equal?

    Ah. Why, Randy? Grace and peace to you.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    There are a lot of Jews in this world, GB. We know this. And at the end of the millennium, there will be a mass conversion among Jews to Christianity in a very short time; it might be interesting to know roughly how many, but there is no need for hard numbers. Goodness gracious. Okay, fair...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Great! So…. :) Well, I’m not an advocate of the post-millennial view… yes, we are very much (and literally:)) I’m the millennium, and maybe very close to the end of it. I’m… sure you do. :) Oh yes, His return will certainly be literal, and His eternal reign will be. I’m not sure how anything...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    No, he certainly does not. :) I think you have misunderstood what I said, RWB. I don’t see how, really, but so it is. Yes, I’ve said this many times. But still, what you say above is not what I have said. Grace and peace to you.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Agree... Disagree. The thousand years is His millennial reign, and He rules through that age from heaven. When the millennium is over, He will return, and His eternal reign ~ with us here on earth, in which sin and death will be completely defeated ~ will begin. And have, of course, no end...