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Surely it would create a problem UNLESS 1 J 3:9 meant PRACTICE...or any other way of saying that. It would directly contradict 1 J 1:9 I DO believe that sometimes a word does need to be stated in the "modern" way. It's like saying I'M GOING TO RETIRE but meaning I'M GOING TO SLEEP and not the...

Don't know that Greek word you posted. But if you know Greek,,, you know that I'm correct about the word BELIEVE. If everyone understood this the debate over whether or not good works are necessary would end right now.

Yes sir. Here it is: Besides this there is a special call which, for the most part, God bestows on believers only, when by the internal illumination of the Spirit he causes the word preached to take deep root in their hearts. Sometimes, however, he communicates it also to those whom he...

From what did they turn?

No.

Wait. I need to think this over. Believing in vain. Believing without a purpose. Believing without considering everything. It might be like Luke 8:13 You know it's not this difficult. Faith is what saves. IF we have faith we are saved. IF we do not have faith----at whatever point in our...

I saw it now. He's agreeing with you! But we'd have to check out WHEN he stated this. Sometimes we misspeak. He sure does say that vain means not saved NOW. Never speak for the other member...rule no. 1 I broke a rule. :eek: But I really do believe I'm right. I guess I could ask. Get the...

I noticed a post of yours before and cannot find it again. You said that what helped you to understand was that the word FAITH includes BELIEF. And, as you surely know, the word BELIEF, in Greek has within it the idea of OBEDIENCE. Paul used the words BELEIVE and OBEY interchangeably. One...

Dan WE ALL AGREE that those believing IN VAIN are not saved. WE ALL AGREE on the meaning of vain...to one degree or another. Get up to date! Waiting on my prize money. hmmx1:

I agree. John exhorts beievers not to sin... but if they do sin, he provides a solution. Yes. Still with you. This is the easy part. Right. But some believe that what John is saying is that a believer CANNOT SIN. Period. It clearly states PRACTICES sin.... which is a life-style, not a one...

That sounds right to me. Man does seem to take things too far. But.... Just for the record, in the early church it was as we both wish.... The heresy was eliminated.... Not the person. But then things changed.

Too good! :Laughingoutloud:

Great! :Laughingoutloud:

The NLT is very good for certain scripture...not all. I feel like I have to check everything against the NASB.... It's good to check several versions if there's any question. Thanks.

Nice translation for we modern folk. BUT you didn't say which one it is....

Yes sir. I agree fully with your reconciliation of 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 3:9 It is the difference between committing a sin and living in sin. Again, you are taking ONE SENTENCE and creating an entire doctrine from it. If someone that knows God never sins... or one that sins has never known...

A coherent system cannot be made using sola scriptura. Plus we see a lot of solo scriptura on these threads. I'm not much for systematic theologies... but let's say that those that were taught by the Apostles DID NOT believe in unconditional eternal salvation. Let's say they all believed...

But then I would miss you and Dan! Look EG,,,, Here is the contradiction YOU are creating: 1 John 1:9 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. vs 1 John 3:9 9No one who is born of God practices sin, because...

To God a day is as 1,000 years. or V V. Yes. Forever is not within our mental wiring.

I think egotism is self-centerdness. I believe an egotistical person is one that thinks only of himself... he is the center of the universe.