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If OSAS is not Biblical then explain how some never lose their salvation? That doesn't mean NOSAS is not Biblical as well. Both are true since salvation is conditional. If one meets it's conditions that person will then be OSAS. If one fails to meet the conditions that person will then be NOSAS...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 ¶Seeing then that all these things shall be...

I don't have problem with viewing it in that manner since it makes sense what you said. That still shouldn't mean a literal earthquake is not meant. Revelation 18 has God telling His people to come out of her so that they be not partakers of her plagues. This great earthquake, IMO, would be one...

Interesting. Though, I never considered this before, I can now see how it might be connected to those 3 in particular. I still think the great earthquake in verse 18 and the great hail in verse 21 are literal. I see no reason not to since it makes no sense to say--- and there was a great...

If the earthquake is global where it affects the entire planet and that the city symbolizes those worshiping the beast globally, I don't see the problem with the earthquake being literal in that case. It doesn't matter that the city is not literal, what matters is that the people that make up...

I admit, it sounds like it could be meaning something like that. And if it is, Amil makes way better sense in that case, not Premil. The day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night in this age not an age after Christ has already returned and a thousand years have passed. Not only that, the...

At the beginning of the thousand years is where I place that. Either that or Amils are correct instead. IOW, if the new heaven/new earth/new Jerusalem can't logically fit the beginning of the thousand years, this likely means Amil is the correct position in that case. The new Jerusalem involves...

Here is one way you need to try and reason it then. Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. This vial is obviously poured...

Where do you get that ludicrous idea that the 7 vials of wrath occur during great tribulation? You need to look at Revelation 6 again, for example, and keep reading it until you figure out that the 5th seal is involving great tribulation and that the 6th seal is involving the wrath of God, and...

If the earthquake in question is not literal then I guess this means we shouldn't take the great hail in verse 21 literally either. After all, it makes no sense to take the great hail literally while not taking the great earthquake literally. As if there is no such thing as literal earthquakes...

If you want to continue believing in a Pretrib rapture, by all means, do so. That still don't make it true nor are you ever going to convince some of the rest of us you are correct just because you believe a Pretrib rapture is true. If you and these other Pretribbers are still alive when great...

great tribulation > then Jesus' return > then eternity > then destruction of this present earth and its heaven > then 1000 years > then last rebellion > then Great White Throne Judgment IOW, the beginning of eternity begins with the 2nd coming and involves the destruction of this present...

I can't see that fitting Premil nor Amil since both positions have saints already in immortal bodies before the GWTJ even begins. Even if the GWTJ happens the same day Christ returns, as Amil believes, the last trump is still meaning prior to the GWTJ. Therefore, as of the last trump, eternity...

Even in the early days of the church there were already Christians that had better insight into some of these things than Amils do today since some saints, such as Justin Martyr saw the significance of a thousand years and even pointed out how Adam, for example, fell short of living an entire...

Exactly! But even so, Revelation 20:6 is only pertaining to saints that never lose their salvation at any time, and that Amil and NOSAS contradicts that, while Premil and NOSAS doesn't contradict it. Therefore, Amil can't be the correct position since both OSAS and NOSAS are Biblical and that...

I didn't contradict anything since you obviously didn't know what I meant when I said OSAS vs NOSAS doesn't involve Eschatology positions. Why don't you pay closer attention at what I was addressing at the time instead of taking my post out of context like you typically do a lot of the time...

There is no way in a million years that anything recorded in 2 Peter 3 is meaning a thousand years and a little season after Christ has returned. That makes nonsense out of what is recorded in 2 Peter 3 and other passages in both the OT and NT connected with what is recorded in 2 Peter 3. What...

Unfortunately, Preterists and those that agree with these Preterists, would have us believe great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be, is already in the past and that it involved unbelieving Jews and 70 AD. If they say so. They...

You seem to be somewhat conflating things here. To be overcome by the beast doesn't mean they fall away if they refused to worship it, and by doing so it allowed the beast to continue nonstop persecuting them, even killing some of them. Anyone that falls away means that they escape nonstop...

That has nothing to do with Premil. There are some Premils that believe only OSAS is Biblical and that NOSAS isn't. And there are some Premils that believe both are Biblical. The same is true of Amils and probably Preterists as well. NOSAS has zero to do with Eschatology positions. But I will...