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Why are you unable to accept that overcome can be applied in more than one manner to someone? Jesus overcame, did He not? And did He not have to die first in order to overcome? Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne , even as I also overcame, and am...

Yea, right, I expect all those things to be literal the same way, for example, it's raining cats and dogs outside, and that I expect the cats and dogs to be literal since the raining outside is literal. You might think I'm an idiot yet I'm not one. You treat me as if I am one by asking silly...

Since I tend to think outside the box a lot, I tend to look at it like the following, right or wrong. In a real world application a bride consists of herself and a wedding gown. Which could mean the NJ symbolizes the wedding gown. It would still mean that the city is literal the same way the...

The least you could do, rather than avoid, is answer the question I asked about Jude 1:14-15. Do you agree or disagree that the 2nd coming in the end of this age is in view? This is important the fact Zechariah 14:5 records this same exact event. IOW, you can't have one passage involving a...

I have read that article in the past the fact I have been aware of mountainretreatorg for quite some time now. Maybe 15 years or more. A cpl of things to note. Until Zechariah 14:12 is fulfilled first, verses 16-19 can't be fulfilled in the meantime. I already know how you interpret Zechariah...

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. You would have us believe...

Some of this I can maybe somewhat agree with you about. But even so, in my mind Zechariah 14:12 has not come to pass yet, in any sense. And until Zechariah 14:12 comes to pass, Zechariah 14:16-19 can't come to pass in the meantime. And that presents a major problem for any view other than...

What does any of that have to do with Zechariah 14:12? Nothing pertaining to 70 AD could possibly explain Zechariah 14:12. It is Preterist nonsense if one insists that Zechariah 14:12 can be explained per 70 AD. And look what precedes Zechariah 14:12. Zechariah 14:11 And men shall dwell in it...

That's what I tend to think might be the case as well. And if so, so much for the thinking that the lost wake up in hell upon death and are burning in literal flames of fire. They can't be burning in hell if they are going about taking possession of humans still alive on the earth. Hmmm...maybe...

Not really. I don't take that to necessarily mean literal Jerusalem in the ME. But I think it might be involving the 42 month reign of the beast, though. And I don't take any of that to be involving the literal city Jerusalem in the ME. The following is something I have noticed. Maybe a...

If things were initiually hidden in the OT and revealed in the NT, and that this basically is your position, you are being just as unreasonable as @WPM is if you are insisting that unless the OT said these things outright, then it can't be so. IOW, it contradicts that you expect things to be...

What about verse 2 in Zechariah 14 then? Until that is fulfilled first, verse 12 can't be fulfilled in the meantime, in any sense. You don't interpret verse 2 to mean before the cross, do you? IOW, chronology is relevant in Zechariah 14 though some of these spiritual interpretations apparently...

Who are these billions of satanists in the final days of your millennium since they have to be alive in the final days of your millennium if they are present after the final days of your millennium? Why do they need to be deceived yet again after your millennium when your millennium already has...

Why would I be doing that, though? Maybe because you have done something similar to that to me in the past, insisted I was misrepresenting your view even though I wasn't. IOW, if you can dish it out you should be able to take it as well. I fully understand, that in your mind, if any of these...

IMO, everything pertaining to the 6th trumpet involves the 2nd woe, including the great earthquake in question and the 2Ws rising from the dead then ascending into heaven. None of that happens during the 3rd woe, the 7th trumpet. Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying...

Here's what sums up your post quite nicely--it's called doctrinal bias. That aside. Though, there might be some interpreters who take the plagues in verse 12 to be meaning the after affects of nuclear weapons, I'm not one that does. I can read what the text says. The text indicates God Himself...

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth...

Sure, that is possible. But is that the case in this case? Maybe, maybe not. What about these locusts in Revelation 9? Aren't they in the same pit satan finds himself cast into? Why is it that it is as if they don't even exist while in the pit? What explains that? Until they are released from...

That is certainly true, the point you bring up. Yet all of that is meaning after the beast has already reigned for 42 months and after ppl have already been worshiping it for 42 months. @Timtofly position appears to be that the 42 month reign of the beast begins at the 7th trumpet and that...

If you insist on having it your way, for starters then, convincingly explain Revelation 15:4 and show how that fits Amil not Premil. In particular, what I have underlined below. Keeping in mind that these judgments are not against any nations already doing that, these judgments are against any...