Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

[PinSeeker]

You would answer the question, if not to be polite, then to prove that you are not side-stepping the question. You're still side-stepping the question.

I don't think he "side-stepped" the question, Fullness Of The Gentiles, but he didn't directly answer it. In post #933, he quoted Romans 10:1-3 and highlighted 'Israel,' 'they,' and 'them,' indicating the equivalency of the three, that each of the three refer to the same group of people... which is probably agreeable to all of us here. But the issue is really superseded by Romans 9:6, where Paul clearly states, "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel." And it still goes back to what Paul said at the end of Romans 2 (verses 28-29), that "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical... a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God." We Christians, whether Jewish or Gentile, are in Christ and therefore true Jews in Paul's context in Romans 2 and part of God's Israel in Romans 11:25-25. And Paul really drives this point home to the Ephesians also in Ephesians 2:11-22...

"Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called 'the uncircumcision' by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands ~ remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, Who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that He might create in Himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. And He came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. For through Him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, in Whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In Him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit."​

Paul says it in different ways in all his letters; here he is in Galatians 3, specifically verses 23-29, where he's also addressing the relation of Jewish folks and Gentile folks in the Christian church there...

"Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise."​

This is what you and I see (I think) eye to eye on, but he either can't or won't. What's really very interesting in Romans 10:1-3 is that he is referring to Israel as "they" and "them," indicating that he thinks of them comprising a group that he himself is not part of. But Paul is as Jewish as Jewish can possibly be. Which is something to consider... :) Obviously, there is a big difference in being of Israel outwardly and being of Israel of God inwardly... in being set apart by ethnicity as opposed to being set apart by God by His Spirit.

Grace and peace to you! And Peterlag, of course. :)

 

[Peterlag]

You would answer the question, if not to be polite, then to prove that you are not side-stepping the question. You're still side-stepping the question.

I try hard not to be rude the way you are often to me. But I do feel that you can't hear me because that which I speak is spiritual and you walk by your flesh.

 

[Peterlag]

Where in the Bible do you read that Jesus is a "part" of God, or that God is three "parts"?

Have you never ever read anything about the person | face of Christ in the New Testament?

Who was Jesus obedient to while He was on earth?

Isaiah 55:10-11
For as the rain comes down, and the snow from the heavens, and does not return there, but waters the earth, and makes it bring out and bud, and give seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
so shall My word be, which goes out of My mouth; it shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish what I please, and it shall certainly do what I sent it to do.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

Who are the two verses below talking about? (thanks @ewq1938)

Psalm 78
35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the Most High God was their redeemer.

1 Corinthians 10:2-4
And all were baptized to Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank of the spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

That's exactly what it is. Romans 9-11 is about God calling His people Israel, His elect. He has mercy on whom He will, compassion on whom He will (Paul, quoting Moses, who quotes God in Exodus 33:18, in Romans 9:15, and restating it emphatically in Romans 9:18). And God's elect, while people of every tongue, tribe and nation ~Jew and Gentile, as it were ~ are a subset of all people. In Romans 10, Paul refers directly to Joel's quote of God in 2:32 in saying, "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved," and if you read Joel 2, you should quickly see that this 'everyone' is only those whom the LORD calls" ~ "And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls." And finally, in Romans 11, Paul says, "So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace..." (v.5) And keeping in mind that God has mercy/compassion on whom He wills and hardens whom He will, Paul states clearly that "a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in... (a)nd in this way all Israel will be saved." (vv.25-26)


And to whom do you believe it is addressed, Peterlag? This is a personal letter written by Paul to the Christians in Rome, hence the title of the epistle, Romans. And of course he says the same things in different ways to the Ephesians, the Colossians, the Thessalonians, etc.


In particular the bolded, emphasized here:

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will, to the praise of His glorious grace, with which He has blessed us in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace, which He lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of His will, according to His purpose, which He set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.​

In Him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of His glory."​

[Ephesians 1:3-14]​

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"And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience ~ among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ ~ by grace you have been saved ~ and raised us up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages He might show the immeasurable riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.​

Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called 'the uncircumcision' by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands ~ remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, Who has made us both one and has broken down in His flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that He might create in Himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. And He came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. For through Him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, in Whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In Him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit."​

[Ephesians 2 in its entirety]​

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"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to His great mercy, He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith ~ more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire ~ may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. Though you have not seen Him, you love Him. Though you do not now see Him, you believe in Him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory, obtaining the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls."​

[1 Peter 1:3-9]​

Grace and peace to you.

Maybe you missed it. I will post it again... Many churches teach God called certain people because the New Testament has places where it talks about those who God called. I think God called everyone and only certain people answered the call. In Ephesians 1:4, it says God chose us in Christ beforehand, and in Revelation 17:8, it says certain names have been written in a book from the foundation of the world. It's the group, the body of Christ that is foreordained from the foundation of the world, and not specific individuals selected by God for salvation.

 

[covenantee]

It's the group, the body of Christ that is foreordained from the foundation of the world, and not specific individuals selected by God for salvation.

Every group or body is comprised of its individuals.

A group or body does not have a voice. But the individuals within it each have a voice.

God does not save "groups" or "bodies".

But He does save individuals who confess Him with their mouths and voices and believe on Him. Romans 10:9

 

[PinSeeker]

Maybe you missed it.

Nope…

I will post it again...

No need…

Many churches teach God called certain people because the New Testament has places where it talks about those who God called.

Well, yes… LOL!

I think God called everyone and only certain people answered the call.

Maybe you missed it, Peter. I said that I agree that God has called everyone, but that is true only in a certain sense, that being that there is, many times over, an outward call to repentance and belief. This is the outward call to God’s salvation, and it is to all, without exception.

But — you knew, I’m sure that there would be a “but” — there is an inward call that God places upon a person’s heart, and this is issued only to whom He purposes to save, those whom He has chosen before the foundation of the world, His elect. This inward call is issued by the Holy Spirit and always results in our being born again of the Spirit. As Jesus says to Nicodemus in John 3, “Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit. You can look at Romans 8 (among many other passages) and see this is true. We know that not everyone will be saved, and we also know that, as Paul says in Romans 8:30, “those whom He called He also justified, and those whom He justified He also glorified.” So His purpose of salvation never fails. As Job finally says in Job 42, “No purpose of Yours (God’s) can be thwarted.”

In Ephesians 1:4, it says God chose us in Christ beforehand, and in Revelation 17:8, it says certain names have been written in a book from the foundation of the world. It's the group, the body of Christ that is foreordained from the foundation of the world, and not specific individuals selected by God for salvation.

Ah! Well, I would say this, that all God’s elect collectively God has purposed to save. That's what Paul says in Ephesians 1, not that He called us before the foundation of the world, but that "He chose us in him before the foundation of the world." THE inward call is individual. Every member will receive this call at some point in his or her time. Becoming part of that group is individual… each at his/her appointed (by God) time (as in Acts 13:48). Obviously, we do not all receive that call at the same time, nor do we come to Christ at the same time.

Maybe we can leave it at that.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Peterlag]

Nope…


No need…


Well, yes… LOL!


Maybe you missed it, Peter. I said that I agree that God has called everyone, but that is true only in a certain sense, that being that there is, many times over, an outward call to repentance and belief. This is the outward call to God’s salvation, and it is to all, without exception.

But — you knew, I’m sure that there would be a “but” — there is an inward call that God places upon a person’s heart, and this is issued only to whom He purposes to save, those whom He has chosen before the foundation of the world, His elect. This inward call is issued by the Holy Spirit and always results in our being born again of the Spirit. As Jesus says to Nicodemus in John 3, “Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit. You can look at Romans 8 (among many other passages) and see this is true. We know that not everyone will be saved, and we also know that, as Paul says in Romans 8:30, “those whom He called He also justified, and those whom He justified He also glorified.” So His purpose of salvation never fails. As Job finally says in Job 42, “No purpose of Yours (God’s) can be thwarted.”


Ah! Well, I would say this, that all God’s elect collectively God has purposed to save. That's what Paul says in Ephesians 1, not that He called us before the foundation of the world, but that "He chose us in him before the foundation of the world." THE inward call is individual. Every member will receive this call at some point in his or her time. Becoming part of that group is individual… each at his/her appointed (by God) time (as in Acts 13:48). Obviously, we do not all receive that call at the same time, nor do we come to Christ at the same time.

Maybe we can leave it at that.

Grace and peace to you.

Romans 8:30, “those whom He called are the group, the body of Christ that is foreordained from the foundation of the world, and not specific individuals selected by God for salvation.

There has to be a reason why you think God would select certain people and screw the rest. And what would that be based on? Color of my eyes since nobody is justified by the works of the flesh.

 

[Peterlag]

Every group or body is comprised of its individuals.

A group or body does not have a voice. But the individuals within it each have a voice.

God does not save "groups" or "bodies".

But He does save individuals who confess Him with their mouths and voices and believe on Him. Romans 10:9

There has to be a reason why you think God would select certain people and screw the rest. And what would that be based on? Color of my eyes since nobody is justified by the works of the flesh.

 

[covenantee]

There has to be a reason why you think God would select certain people and screw the rest. And what would that be based on? Color of my eyes since nobody is justified by the works of the flesh.

Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

The prerequisites for selection.

 

[Zao is life]

I try hard not to be rude the way you are often to me. But I do feel that you can't hear me because that which I speak is spiritual and you walk by your flesh.

I've noticed you see yourself as some sort of guru. Twisting the scripture you quote by for example changing the meaning of something like the words "everlasting Father" to "father of the coming age" does not make you nearly as spiritual as you think.

 

[Zao is life]

In Ephesians 1:4, it says God chose us in Christ beforehand, and in Revelation 17:8, it says certain names have been written in a book from the foundation of the world. It's the group, the body of Christ that is foreordained from the foundation of the world, and not specific individuals selected by God for salvation.

Only Jesus existed before the foundation of the world.

Before the foundation of the world God chose ALL those who would repent and believe in Jesus. Adam was not sawed in two at the foundation of the world when he was created so that one part of his sons and daughters would be called and the other part not.

Christ did not die for some. He died for all. He died for whomsoever will - will of individuals.

 

[rwb]

Romans 8:30, “those whom He called are the group, the body of Christ that is foreordained from the foundation of the world, and not specific individuals selected by God for salvation.

There has to be a reason why you think God would select certain people and screw the rest. And what would that be based on? Color of my eyes since nobody is justified by the works of the flesh.

The group, being the body of Christ cannot be the body of Christ without being specific individuals. We, the group that is the body of Christ is made up of individuals and members in particular.

Romans 12:4 (KJV) For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

Romans 12:5 (KJV) So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1 Corinthians 12:12 (KJV) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:20 (KJV) But now are they many members, yet but one body.

1 Corinthians 12:27 (KJV) Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

The reason God chooses whom He chooses is because He is God! He does according to His will!

 

[rwb]

Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

The prerequisites for selection.

Exactly! According to Scripture whosoever lives and believes in Christ make up the body of Christ, chosen from God from the foundation of the world.

 

[PinSeeker]

Romans 8:30, “those whom He called are the group, the body of Christ that is foreordained from the foundation of the world, and not specific individuals selected by God for salvation.

Right, but that does not negate the fact that He calls them individually ~ at their own appointed time.

There has to be a reason why you think God would select certain people and screw the rest.

Well, the Bible is very clear that God does everything He does for His own glory. But specifically to what you say about "screwing the rest," well, read what Paul says in Romans 1:18-32...

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For His invisible attributes, namely, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.​

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Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.​

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For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.​

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And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."​

Sounds to me like they... well, to use your vernacular, "screw themselves." Really, God gives them what they want. They are surely without excuse, as Paul says.

And what would that be based on? Color of my eyes since nobody is justified by the works of the flesh.

See above.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Pierac]

You're not speaking to someone unfamiliar with the Sovereignty of God regarding those ordained to eternal life through Christ. The simple answer is that whosoever lives and believes in God shall be saved according to grace through faith, all of God, not by the will of man, but by the will of God. In this we can say, all who believe in Christ, whether Jew or Gentile are those chosen from the foundation of the world to be eternally saved through Christ.

Salvation through the Redeemer is unto whosoever believes and Paul writes they are "the Israel of God" not an ethnic people, but a people of faith. A faith that comes to fallen man by grace of God alone.

I don't think your getting the whole picture...

Paul also writes.... 1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Paul keeps telling you....

ESV Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

Exactly what do you mean by "whosoever lives and believes in God"

How can anyone believe.... Outside of God???

NASB Mar 4:11 And he said to them, "To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12 so that indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be
forgiven."

NASB Act 2:39 "For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself."

NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

I think you understand... but am not 100% sure?
Paul

 

[Peterlag]

Right, but that does not negate the fact that He calls them individually ~ at their own appointed time.


Well, the Bible is very clear that God does everything He does for His own glory. But specifically to what you say about "screwing the rest," well, read what Paul says in Romans 1:18-32...

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For His invisible attributes, namely, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.​

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Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.​

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For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.​

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And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."​

Sounds to me like they... well, to use your vernacular, "screw themselves." Really, God gives them what they want. They are surely without excuse, as Paul says.


See above.

Grace and peace to you.

The Romans 1 folks are the ones who have walked away from normal behavior. It's not God who sold them out to abnormal behavior.

 

[Peterlag]

The group, being the body of Christ cannot be the body of Christ without being specific individuals. We, the group that is the body of Christ is made up of individuals and members in particular.

Romans 12:4 (KJV) For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

Romans 12:5 (KJV) So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1 Corinthians 12:12 (KJV) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:20 (KJV) But now are they many members, yet but one body.

1 Corinthians 12:27 (KJV) Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

The reason God chooses whom He chooses is because He is God! He does according to His will!

Maybe this will help. Think of a coach who calls out a high school football team. Anyone who wants in can join. My high school coach did not go select the players.

 

[Peterlag]

Only Jesus existed before the foundation of the world.

Before the foundation of the world God chose ALL those who would repent and believe in Jesus. Adam was not sawed in two at the foundation of the world when he was created so that one part of his sons and daughters would be called and the other part not.

Christ did not die for some. He died for all. He died for whomsoever will - will of individuals.

I would like to know what religion you are from. There's no verse that says only Jesus existed before the foundation of the world.

 

[Peterlag]

I've noticed you see yourself as some sort of guru. Twisting the scripture you quote by for example changing the meaning of something like the words "everlasting Father" to "father of the coming age" does not make you nearly as spiritual as you think.

The "father of the coming age" is not from me. It's from a different Bible translation.

 

[PinSeeker]

The Romans 1 folks are the ones who have walked away from normal behavior. It's not God who sold them out to abnormal behavior.

LOL! I have no idea what that even means, or how you would even come up with such a thing. Can we quit on that one? LOL!

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

I NEVER expected to get a sincere and truthful statement from someone like you that follow the Jew's doctrines.

I hope you eventually come to recognize The New Covenant which Jesus of Nazareth sealed on His cross with His Own Blood.

So just know, that as long as you wrongly believe that God's covenants and promises are still a part of the Jew's 'old' covenant, then you will not properly recognize Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ.

Well at least I know what you are now.
And what you never were.