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  1. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    That should be 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 :oops:. Yes, those suffering at the same time as Paul and the other saints. They were all suffering back then; it wasn't a reference to them, or any other saints/Christians, suffering during the Great Tribulation! I believe the Scriptures teach that the...
  2. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    These verses sounds like God was planning things before the creation of the world - Ephesians 1:4 (WEB): (4) even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and without defect before him in love; 2 Timothy 1:9-10 (KJV): (9) Who hath saved us, and called...
  3. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I don't require God to do anything! I don't see anything wrong with trying to understand, logically, what the Scriptures tell us. A better understanding makes it easier to believe and can only increase our faith. We're encouraged to study the Scriptures, not to just believe them without any...
  4. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Simple! Not everyone is called to be a Christian, and not all that are called are chosen. There will be billions of people who are not Christians who will be resurrected as humans and will live on the earth. It is not for us to know now how many God has chosen to have a share in Jesus'...
  5. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Who would we be God's representatives to? The animals don't have enough understanding to consider who God is. The angels already know who God is and have direct access to Him. Probably because it was God's purpose from before the world existed to call many humans with a promise of sharing in...
  6. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I do not doubt God's ability to fulfill His promise! Just because I'm trying to understand the reality of what we are doesn't mean that I don't believe God! No, the Scriptures say that we have an earthly (physical) body and that Christians after their resurrection will have a spiritual body...
  7. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    I gave you an answer in post #693. So do you think my answer in post #693 was right or wrong? Did I have a clue or not, in your opinion? I have not been crying. I posted some "biblical meat" in post #664 which was in response to your post #660. You have not commented on that; so do you...
  8. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Not quite. I described us as being something other than physical, perhaps some kind of spirit being, that is abiding in a physical body. Whereas you believe we are 100% physical and nothing else, possibly based on Genesis 3:19 ("For you are dust, and to dust you shall return"). But thinking...
  9. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    No. We are only forgiven because of, and through, the shed blood of Jesus. Ephesians 1:7 (WEB): (7) in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace 1 John 1:7 (WEB): (7) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the...
  10. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I believe that who we are is not just physical flesh and bones. We are our personality, character, memories, reasoning powers, etc.. That is not a physical thing. People who suffer from dementia can loose all their memories, intelligence, etc.. I saw it happen to my father, whose mind seemed...
  11. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Perhaps because of Hebrews 9:27-28 (WEB): (27) Inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once, and after this, judgment, (28) so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, without sin, to those who are eagerly waiting for him for salvation.
  12. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    I'll teach you something. "Your like a breast feeding man" is bad English. It should be "You are" or "you're", not your. You should get the simple things correct if you expect and want people to believe the more complex things you might try to teach. If you sound like an idiot then others...
  13. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    Such humility! May I remind you of some of the other Paul's writings: Ephesians 4:1-3 (WEB): (1) I therefore, the prisoner in the Lord, beg you to walk worthily of the calling with which you were called, (2) with all lowliness and humility, with patience, bearing with one another in love...
  14. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    That's so kind of you. You're wrong again though, I do have an answer for you. The angel let Peter out of prison. As Peter said, Acts 12:11 (WEB): (11) When Peter had come to himself, he said, “Now I truly know that the Lord has sent out his angel and delivered me out of the hand of Herod...
  15. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I used to believe that too, but if there is no part of us that survives death (no non-physical part, because all physical parts perish) then a resurrection would just be a clone of us and not actually us. How do you understand the following verses (all from the WEB)? Matthew 10:28 (28) Don’t...
  16. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    God's instructions to Adam tell us nothing about God's reasons for creating the earth and humankind. i thought your question was "why did God create humans and place them on the earth?", not "what did God instruct humans to do?". Similarly, why did God create the angels? What was the purpose...
  17. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    I think you're typing out of your anus. ;) I think you'll find that should be Arius, not Anus. :Laughingoutloud:
  18. keithr

    "The word was a god"?

    What do you mean by the "other" Paul? :confused: This means that sin and death for everyone came from (originated, or resulted from the actions of) one man, Adam, Romans 5:12 (WEB): (12) Therefore as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin; so death passed to all...
  19. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Okay, so why do you think God created the earth, all life on earth, and mankind? I don't believe that God created man just to be gardeners to keep the earth looking good.
  20. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    As others have replied, we are saved from death, which is God's penalty for sin. It's all summarised by Paul in Romans 6:23 (WEB): (23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. I think God created us (and the angels) for His good...