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  1. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    OK Thanks for the clarification. If they are "in Christ", are they not also the body of Christ? hlf
  2. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    1. You're saying that Peter and the other Jewish believers he preached to are "the remnant of Israel", and, therefore, are not "the body of Christ"? That's odd, since, when Paul was persecuting them, Jesus said, "Why are you persecuting ME?" LOL! 2. Did Peter abide "in Christ"? 3. Why is Paul...
  3. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    So, were you saying that Paul's Gospel caused people to be "in Christ", but Peter's did not?
  4. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Did Peter abide in Christ?
  5. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    LOL! So if I can prove Paul preached that the Kingdom would come to earth, and that people should have faith in the Name of Jesus, that would prove they preached the same?
  6. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Here's an updated version. Galatians 2:7But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised... Even if you wanted to argue that Peter had one Gospel, and Paul had another Gospel, and these were different, and...
  7. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    So... in what way(s) did their Gospels ostensibly differ?
  8. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Yeah, meaning that the two had the same Gospel, but, here, in this incident outlined in Galatians 2, Peter was not walking in the truth of the Gospel, and, so, Paul, who believed the same Gospel, brought him back in line with the Gospel the two of them shared in common LOL
  9. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    No, it doesn't say "of", and, no, you can't prove they are different, and I proved they were the same, and I await your response to my having already proved they were the same.
  10. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Nope, they were just appointed to go and preach to two different people-groups : Peter was mainly to sent to the Jews, and Paul was mainly sent to the Gentiles, and both engaged in preaching the Gospel to eachothers' main audiences (Paul preached to Jews (eg, the Synagogue in Antioch in Acts...
  11. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    1. You missed the point : they agreed, their messages did not differ. The message of Peter is the same message of Paul, so, no, there is not a unique message with Paul, which, if it is believed, magically makes you part of Christ--as if, by contrast, the message of Peter, which "differs", does...
  12. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    A Jew is an Israelite. Paul is a Jew, and Israelite, of the remnant of Israel--and he's "in Christ", a member of the body of Christ, or else he could not have said that he had died with Christ. When Romans 6 says we are baptized into Christ, thus share in His death and in His resurrection, how...
  13. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    LOL! They are not "remnants of Israel", they are "remnants" of Gentile nations--the majority of their nation is lost and destroyed, but those few souls are saved from among those Gentile nations. Your argument was that they were "remnant of Israel Gentiles", not "Gentiles", but they really are...
  14. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    A. Not in context : the entire Book is an excoriation of the Jewish "false brothers" ("...especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped..." Ti 1:10) who are telling the Gentile believers that they don't really belong to God, or "God's people", or "Israel", unless they...
  15. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    OOPS! Romans 9:3For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, 4who are Israelites... If his kinsmen are Israelites, WHAT DOES THAT MAKE PAUL? AN ISRAELITE! Romans 11:1I say then, God has not rejected His...
  16. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You really are struggling. Are you a Black Hebrew Israelite?
  17. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    LOL He is going to move them to jealousy by choosing... THEM? That, again, is like saying Israel moved God to jealousy by choosing... HIM! It's nonsense : Israel moved God to jealousy by choosing another god, and, so, likewise, God moves Israel ("my fellow countrymen") to jealousy by choosing...
  18. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Yes, it does--esp together with the logic of v13, where God chooses a people OTHER THAN the people who made Him jealous by choosing another god in order to drive them to jealous, and, so, Paul, wanting to fulfill the prophecy, wants to drive HIS FELLOW COUNTRYMEN to jealousy by magnifying his...
  19. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    I've been showing it, but you aren't paying attention : when Paul describes a natural branch being grafted back into its own olive tree, he doesn't use the language "contrary to nature", thus, these Gentiles, who are cut from "wild olive trees", and who are grafted in to the "cultivated olive...
  20. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    This is the first thing you have said (that I have read) that has not been nonsense. No, He isn't; Paul is saying there is an understanding among Jews that "all Israel will be saved", and God is not breaking His Word, but that "not all Israel is that 'Israel' of whom 'all' 'will be saved'"...