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Let's get on the same page. Clearly, the bodies of saints rose after Christ's resurrection. I'm not disputing that. Daniel 12:2 does not say that only saints rise. It also says some rise to shame and everlasting contempt. Therefore, it can't fit what is recorded in Matthew 27 since both have to...

I already explained how and so did @Stewardofthemystery in post #15. It's called context. I like his answer better, because my answer involved me asking @Marty fox to point out in Matthew 27 who he sees meaning the ones that rise to everlasting contempt. When he shouldn't even be in that chapter...

Marty, explain who these are meaning then---Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake-- others to shame and everlasting contempt Point out where I can read about them in Matthew 27. Who do you take them to be meaning in Matthew27? I don't see anyone meaning them in Matthew 27...

Maybe I overlooked it or didn't read the OP carefully enough? Could you then point where the OP did that? I'm not doubting you word, I just don't recall having seen the OP do that. BTW, I know Amils don't see it that way. Never said they did.

Roger, you do have a valid point since it would be relevant to be holy in the here and now. Hadn't really thought about it like that before. It does make sense. Here's my problem though. The way to try and convince me that Amil is Biblical is not by trying to convince me that NOSAS isn't...

What some are failing to admit, refuse to admit, is this. And not just meaning Amils. There are some Premils that won't admit it either. Meaning my point in regards to verse 12 below. Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white...

Yet someone else that sees these connections pretty much identically to how I do. Very well reasoned OP. The OP has debunked Amil, except we all know Amil will never admit it.

The way I view the resurrections is simple. There are only two of them. The resurrection of the just, and the resurrection of the unjust. And that the resurrection of the unjust never precedes the resurrection of the just. In that way alone it makes it the first resurrection even if it involved...

My argument pertains to Revelation 20:6 and what John plainly said and meant. He said everyone that has part in the first resurrection are blessed and holy, without exception. He said everyone that has part in the first resurrection, the 2nd death has no power over them, without exception. Throw...

Of course, I fully agree unless I'm misunderstanding you or something, that John was seeing future events pertaining to the final days of this age and not also involving the time period John was living in at the time. And besides, if the first 6 trumpets happen during the 5 seals, what in the...

I'm sure you and I agree that the 6th seal is the 7th trumpet, correct? Which obviously means trumpet one doesn't chronologically follow seal 6. Obviously, if seal 6 is trumpet 7, the other 6 trumpets have to occur during the first 5 seals. But even so, that doesn't mean the same has to be true...

My argument proves Premil has to be true since NOSAS can't fit Revelation 20:6 if the first resurrection is being applied how Amils are applying it. You're the one arguing nonsense because you have John saying in Revelation 20:6 that some who have part in the first resurrection are not blessed...

Kind of lost focus for this thread though I started it. This is the first time I have been back to since I posted post #8. which was Wednesday and today is now Friday. Well almost Saturday now since it will be midnight here in about 45 minutes. This will also give you an idea how long it takes...

Let me guess. One of the numerous problems is that it would mean we have to take these sacrifices in the literal sense, that it will be involving animal sacrificing. If that is one of the numerous problems you see, that's not a good argument though since these sacrifices have to be applied to...

Maybe we are not entirely on the same page after all? Those that sit down in the kingdom of God will already be there and remain there. They are not required to come up from year to year, only those outside of the kingdom are required to do that. Keep in mind what Jesus said in 1 Thessalonians...

If it turns out that the thousand years are after the 2nd coming after all, does this mean that you will want no part in it, that you will refuse to have part in it? Which would mean you place your will and desires above that of God's. I'm just curious as to Amils thoughts on that since they are...

Now I think I see what you were meaning. Makes good sense to me since anyone living outside of the kingdom can't already be in the kingdom and already be there if they have to come up from year to year. Some will argue, it is ridiculous that everyone on the planet can be in the same city at the...

Revelation 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and...

They don't believe anyone does. Keeping in mind the beginning of their millennium is not the beginning of our millennium. Their millennium began 2000 years ago. Our millennium is yet to begin and won't begin until Christ returns first. Therefore, 2000 years ago there was not yet any beheaded...

Which comes first, for example? What is recorded in the days of Joshua or what is recorded in Ezekiel 37? What does the latter say. Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold , I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will...